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Ronin 3rd July 2021 02:21 PM

Car not starting with less than half a tank
 
So after replacing the fuel pump the car starts misfiring and slowly dies... This happened today while en route to a house viewing..

Last month the car wouldn't start as well with less than half a tank so I thought it was the fuel pump so I replaced it along with 2 o rings, 1 large and 1 small...

Any ideas what this could be before I set this car on fire?

I really don't have any more patience or willingness to pour money and time into it...

Ronin 3rd July 2021 03:48 PM

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Some food for thought here:

When the engine stopped fuel level was a little bit less then half, i walked to petrol station and got 10.8l of fuel and put it into the car, i had a little bit more than half showing.

The V6 has an 80l tank

I then drove to petrol station and filled the tank to the max with 47.5l of fuel...

So lets say i had 50l in the tank when i topped the car up with 2x5l canisters, i then drove to and filled up to the max with another 47.5L, this would equal to 97.5L of fuel which is 17.5l above what the V6 is supposed to be able able to carry and 7.5l what the V8 (90l) tank capacity is...

Do i have a faulty fuel level sensor here?

ainarssems 3rd July 2021 04:11 PM

Probably 2 things going on there.

1. Your fuel guage does not seem to be very accurate.
2. Fuel pump unit is tricky to seat properly to get the suction jet pumps working and sucking up fuel from the other side of tank. Usually it cuts out about1/4-1/3 but your guage seems to be wrong as well. Could be that your dash has wrong coding translating data from sensors incorrectly, one of the sensors could be faulty, extra resistance in wiring connections or maybe it needs a bit of adaption. From memory there should be +/- 15% adaption to gauge reading in adaption.

So to summarise when gauge is reading 50% it's actually 35% and at this point it cannot get fuel from the other side of tank because the pump is not seated correctly

Ronin 3rd July 2021 04:47 PM

can the fuel level adaptaion be done with vcds? I can't find the procedure on their website.

ainarssems 3rd July 2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin (Post 165678)
can the fuel level adaptaion be done with vcds? I can't find the procedure on their website.

I am not sure about D2, it's been a while.

If you go in 17-instruments, then adaptation and go through the channels it should come up somewhere. Definitely done it on similar vintage C5 A6, I can check ElsaWin later when I get home

Ronin 3rd July 2021 06:18 PM

Thanks for this. I will also look up the correct cluster coding for a v6 with quattro as this also may affect it..

MikkiJayne 3rd July 2021 07:31 PM

UK models all have the 90 litre tank.

ainarssems 4th July 2021 08:37 AM

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Pdf's from Elsa attached, channel 32 for adaptation. And from 2002 channel 33 also can be used for full indicator adjustment.

HPsauce 4th July 2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ainarssems (Post 165677)
Fuel pump unit is tricky to seat properly to get the suction jet pumps working and sucking up fuel from the other side of tank. Usually it cuts out about1/4-1/3 but your guage seems to be wrong as well.

It does sound exactly like the same problem that several others have had here of an incorrectly seated fuel pump. :(

Ronin 4th July 2021 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikkiJayne (Post 165682)
UK models all have the 90 litre tank.

In the manual it says 80 for the V6 and VCDS is reporting 82... all this makes no sense


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