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vcds scan after service
My S8 was serviced by Lecab, Audi Karlstad the 31st last month.
I made it home, with the engine oil lamp on and the rpm needle was dead. Today I ran a scan with vcds to try see what it would tell me. The engine oil lamp and the rpm needle worked today, so I took it for a drive. About 400m from my home the car made a few engine brakes, or I think it did. Then it died. So now the car is on it's way back to Lecab with roadside assistance. Here is my auto scan before the road failure. VCDS Mobile 0.4411.0.4 Chassis Type:4D Scan: 01 03 08 11 15 16 17 18 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 65 67 75 76 77 02 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 01: Engine Labels: None Part No SW: 4D0 907 557 N Component: 4.2L V8/4V MOTR AT D01 Coding: 04373 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: 3731B8DF19C18580022971845-4B1E 12 Faults Found: 17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer P1570 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent 01183 - Warning Light for Catalyst Monitoring (K72) 31-00 - Open or Short to Ground 16705 - Engine Speed Sensor (G28) P0321 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent 17917 - Idle Control Valve (N71) P1509 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17817 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80) P1409 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17609 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 1 (N30) P1201 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17613 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 5 (N83) P1205 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17612 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 4 (N33) P1204 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17616 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 8 (N86) P1208 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 17919 - Intake Manifold Valve (N156) P1511 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent 16944 - System Voltage P0560 - 35-10 - Malfunction - Intermittent 17968 - Maximum Engine Speed Exceeded: Engine Warranty VOID! P1560 - 35-10 - -) - Intermittent ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl Part No SW: 4D0 907 389 Component: ABS/FDR Allrad D3202 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 VCID: EC9BD7B390077658BF3B36004-51CE 1 Fault Found: 18256 - Please check DTC Memory of Engine Controller P1848 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None Part No SW: 4D0 820 043 K Component: D2-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D05 Coding: 00080 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: 240B7F93B857FE18B76B9EA0C-2568 4 Faults Found: 00715 - Rear Footwell Vent Positioning Motor (V112) 41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent 01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 41-00 - Blocked or No Voltage 00734 - Potentiometer in Central Vent (G142) 30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent 01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238) 57-10 - Electric Circuit Failure - Intermittent ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4D0-959-655-AI7.lbl Part No SW: 4D0 959 655 H Component: Airbag 7 Audi 050C Coding: 00225 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: 3731B8DF19C18580022971845-5118 No fault codes found. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4D0-919-033-MYW.lbl Part No SW: 4D0 919 033 AF Component: D2-KOMBIINSTRUMENT D53 Coding: 00683 Shop #: WSC 19411 000 VCID: 68932BA304FFDA785B136AF00-508A No fault codes found. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl Part No SW: 8L0 862 257 N Component: CV-Pump D06 Coding: 13130 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: 40C3D3034C0FC238B383D2108-4EEA 2 Faults Found: 01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak) 35-00 - - 01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch 35-00 - - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl Part No SW: 8L0 951 173 Component: Innenraumueberw. D04 Coding: 00001 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 VCID: EE9FDDBBA61B8448914F2C382-4AA4 1 Fault Found: 01378 - Ultra Sonic Sensor for Alarm System; Right (G171) 27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl Part No SW: 4B0 907 357 Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D001 Coding: 00008 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: E58DA29773ED4710E0F5CBACF-5160 1 Fault Found: 00776 - Level Control System Sensor; Left Front (G78) 31-00 - Open or Short to Ground ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl Part No SW: 4B0 035 186 E Component: Radio 0001 Coding: 00207 Shop #: WSC 02325 000 VCID: 2207798BA243F028C55768886-4B00 1 Fault Found: 00852 - Loudspeaker(s); Front 36-00 - Open Circuit ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4B0-919-283.lbl Part No SW: 4B0 919 283 Component: arkingsystem A8 RDW D17 Coding: 01108 Shop #: WSC 02324 000 VCID: E68FA59B8EEB4C08E9FFF4D8A-5216 2 Faults Found: 01543 - Parking Aid Warning Chime (H15) 31-00 - Open or Short to Ground 01549 - Supply Voltage for Parking-Aid Sensor 29-00 - Short to Ground ----------------------------------------------------------------- Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01L-927-156.lbl Part No SW: 4D0 927 156 BL Component: AG5 01L 4.2l4V S8RdW D03 Coding: 00101 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 VCID: 74AB4FD348372E98E78BEE60C-51A8 1 Fault Found: 17087 - Brake Switch (F) P0703 - 35-00 - Electrical Malfunction |
Wow :eek: Its interesting that most of the modules simply say 'electrical malfunction' rather than voltage too high or low. That might be a prefacelift thing though. ME7 in the facelifts is a little more verbose in its error messages.
I think the first things I would be looking at are the battery, alternator, and earth connections, particularly the earth strap from engine to body. Then probably monitor the battery voltage with a multimeter to see what its doing. Some of those codes like the immobiliser and alarm are pretty normal. The open or short codes are likely caused by whatever is also triggering the electrical malfunction codes, in modules which aren't smart enough to detect a voltage issue. |
Thank you for the comment MJ. I haven't even considered the battery, and earth connections.
The mechanic claimed that the wiring to the oil pressure sensor is damaged. Which they have in part replaced at an earlier occasion (about half a year ago). Is it normal that one can do a full auto scan, but other specific scans throw timeout errors? I didn't get the engine scans to respond. Same with the Immobiliser even if I have scanned that part earlier. The automatic box responded when I tested that. |
The oil pressure sensor wouldn't cause all those errors, even if it shorted out. I think there is probably something else going on too.
Its odd that you can scan the engine on an auto-scan but not on its own. I wouldn't expect that. It could be a symptom of a general electrical problem though. |
I got an answer from Audi. The fuel pump 4D0298087B is broken :-(
Repair cost 18000 SEK. I asked them for an offer to fix the fuel pump, whatever the electrical fault is to the oil pressure sensor and fix that too. And for an offer to change the belt cam with water pump etc. This is going to make a dent in my bank account. But I still wish to repair this car. I truly wish I lived not to far off from you MJ. I'd feel a lot better dropping the car off in your capable hands |
Schedule a two week holiday in the UK.
Drive to MJ's and leave the car with her. Hire a car and have a great time touring UK. The total cost will probably be less than the stealers, and you will have had a holiday as well. +++:D+++ |
I don't know what 18000 SEK is but it sounds like a lot of Fjallraven jackets.
This the pump you need LINKY, It can be fitted into your pump unit and can be done at home with basic tools, and you can get off your face on petrol fumes :eek3: If that 18000 is just for the (updated) pump unit then the quote for the cam belt will be horrendous. |
18000 Swedish Krona? According to google that's a shade over £1600 GBP today.
That sounds pricey given the ebay part is £120! |
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That is correct, just over £1600 for the pump with fault checking? and replacement.
Is that really the part Dezzy? The part number doesn't check. 4D0298087B But from what I could find, the part is expensive. https://www.online-teile.com/volkswa...inbausatz.html And I am not about to take the fuel tank apart just to do the job myself. I don't have a nice garage, and it's cold and icy outdoors :( -7 degrees C or 19.5 degrees F |
I think the part number you have quoted is for the whole pump assembly, but the pump it self can be replaced, reusing your assembly.
-7 should be out there in your pants, what's the matter with you man |
This is a pump you need but I doubt dealer will replace just the pump on it's own as Audi only supply and replace the whole fuel delivery unit. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A8-9...kAAOSw~QRaBD9x
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I got a reply from audi with an offer, an expensive offer.
They even says so. The offer exceeds the value of the car, so they advice against these repairs :( Fuel pump replacement: 14 150 SEK Cam belt with water pump etc: 21 469 SEK Brake hoses: 3 400 SEK From tie rod replacement: 6 881 SEK _________ total: 57 376 SEK edit: and they didn't include the wiring to the oil pressure sensor as they can't calculate the job |
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I think a trip to MJ and a UK break including hire car is the way to go! |
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/D.Serien/ |
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An independent specialist or accommodating DIY'er has to be the way to go +++ |
I suppose you are right. This is very expensive.
Trouble is, I do not know of any independent mechanic that specialise in Audi. Time to do some research :) |
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Fuel pump without assembly is 2500 sek change pays for brake hoses and tie rods. Tie rods I'm assuming are track rod ends are a POP you can do those yourself. Ebay and have them sent form here. If you're really struggling i'll send them to you. 170 sek Just cam belt, is the expensive bit. So we're down to 2700 sek + postage excluding cam belt. |
The tie rods (or what they are called) are the inner ones, not the outer part. Although I already have the outer part, as it came with the Meyle link package. But I didn't change those, only the 4 links in the front suspension.
I'll be going to talk to a few independent shops tomorrow and hear what they have to offer. I feel some pressure to get the car road worthy. Before the annual meet in June. Got to be able to drive the car to meet you all ;) |
An independent repair shop, Mekonomen, told me they don't want the job. The car is to old and the job to difficult :(
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I asked Audi about testing to reset fault codes. But he told me the car is so old one cannot do that. One has to measure voltage on the fuel pump. Which he claimed they have done. I believe the representative got annoyed by my questions. Oh well. Talking to another who I have been told earlier is a trained mechanic, so I assumed he knew more. But he responded by telling me he knows nothing about these cars. They are so old almost no one remembers them. So the current agreement is. They will fix the fuel pump while I am gone for work. I know it will be more expensive than fixing it myself. But I already have to pay for the fault finding. And transporting the car back home isn't cheap either. Then I will take the car home and try to fix or replace the faulty electrical wiring myself. |
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What a bunch of plonkers:tuttut: I guess a large part of it is to do with rarety of the car and barely anybody being familiar with it.
D2 is fairly rare car in UK but if Sweden is anything like Denmark it's even rarer. When I was living in Denmark for 3 years I do not recall seeing a single A/S8 and even me having A6 people were looking at me like I was drug dealer. I have changed fuel pumps on 2 D2's and reseated them on other 2 where previous garage have not fitted them properly and they were not picking up fuel under 1/3rd of tank. For the 14k SEK I am almost tempted to say I will get a pump for you, fly out change the pump and fly back.:) and since i am out there might as well change the cambelt with accessories, is yours 32V as I have locking tools for it. :ROFL: In fact to fly London to Stockholm next Tuesday evening and back Wednesday evening is only £38, parking charges for leaving the car in airport car park would probably be more. :ROFL: http://forum.a8parts.co.uk/attachmen...1&d=1518123321 |
That's a pretty good idea actually! +++
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Or, if Johannes is coming to the June meet once its up and running with the fuel pump fixed - which is his aim - why not book into MJs for a couple of days before or after and get the rest sorted ?
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But if you do have the time and opportunity MJ? I would love to have you fix my car :) I believe I have time off from 21 May until 3 June. So I could arrive early in the UK, or leave the car after the annual meet and return a few weeks later. It depends of course if this is something you would be willing to do MJ? __________ edit: leaving the car after the annual meet in early June would probably be the better option. Which would mean I go back to work for two weeks, and have the next two weeks off again in the end of June. |
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Guess whose A8 has a pump that needs reseating and lives about a mile away from you? MJ and I ran out of time to sort it when Big Red was down in Devon. We (well I use the term "we" rather loosely) did reseat it and heard a satisfying clunk as though it dropped into place but until last Wednesday I hadn't really tested the car by running it below 1/3 full. And on Wednesday I accidentally tested it right in front of Asda petrol station with jam-packed traffic and couldn't get it turned into the forecourt before it spluttered and died at the side of the road. I've got it booked into Rushden Vehicle Services next Thursday but if you are willing and available sometime in the future I could pop around to yours again and give you the money rather than them. I know it's a bit cheeky to ask such a thing in an open forum but if you're willing to fly to Sweden to do one then I thought I would chance my arm:D Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Johannes. |
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The difficulty with seating the fuel pump is the reason I bit the bullet and leave that job to the Audi shop. Quote:
I also need to apologise to MJ. I realise it was daft of me to ask in this forum. I should have sent you a pm. There was a comment the Audi representative made while I was in their shop, which I forgot. He said they will not cut open and replace a single electrical wire/cable even if they suspect it is faulty. It has to do with guarantee on the job. |
if I understand correctly the pump alone is available on line for a much better price and by the original producer
why not ask the Audi agent for a price to fit your own pump and if the price is sensible buy one and supply it to them ? isn't there an instruction article on how to fit this pump on line , maybe there is someone in Karlstand who could do the job for you , why not advertise there then if Audi refuse you could get the job done for a non crazy price |
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I have the impression that main dealer mechanics are not what they used to be. These days everything has to be completely replaced. Far from it that a part can be repaired, perish the thought! :ROFL: ______ edit: the main dealer refuses to use any aftermarket items |
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if only ! late addition ; asked the previous owner of my A8 [ my nephew ] who fitted the new pump ....an auto electrician ! isn't there one on Karlstadt seeing the car is there ? |
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I wouldn't want to do anything in this weather either. I shall wait for warmer times then pm you a message to see if you are available, then we can take it from there. I can't remember (MJ please remind me if you read this as I seem to remember you saying something along these lines) whether there is a gasket set that is used on the pump when reseating it. If so I shall order one in preparation. |
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