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Old 19th December 2019, 10:45 AM
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Does it say which airbags? IIRC a PF only has driver's and passenger's front, not sides etc.

Personally I would tell them to do one and swap in some bags from a facelift or other model which has proper bags. B5 A4 and C5 A6 steering wheels are compatible, although the passenger dash bag won't be.

Biggest problem is that they'll have to already be in Australia since we can't ship airbags to you. That may limit your options somewhat.
I can't see much information about whether it is just the drivers airbag that is in question. Your suggested repair remedy makes sense to me...

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I just read on a FB group that affected vehicles will be blocked from being registered - if that's the case then simply ignoring the recall is not an option
This is my big fear Michaela...my registration is due at the end of January so time is running out for me I fear...

From an AU motoring site: a total of 3960 cars are affected across the following model lines in the Audi recall:

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1997-2000 Audi A4
1998-2000 Audi A6
1998-2000 Audi A8
1999-2000 Audi TT
1998-1999 Audi Cabriolet

That's Australia only so far.
That is the situation...


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Airbags can't be sent by air freight as they are pyrotechnic devices so I am investigating specialist dangerous goods couriers to see if they can help. The passenger side dash bag is different between LHD and RHD so the UK may be the only useful source of those. I'm hoping we don't get a recall of them too, since supply may be rather limited if we do. Thats assuming we can even ship one to you of course...
I feel very humble and appreciative that you would go to the trouble of investigating this. Perhaps I am feeling a little over emotional but thanks, you!
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Old 19th December 2019, 12:30 PM
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That's Australia only so far.
From the various reports I've read, it is seems to be related to hot and humid countries, and how the internals of the igniters react to that sort of environment. As such, that should in theory let us in the UK off, but Audi could just decide to apply the recall globally (except maybe the US, as they would be hung out to dry).

There are also several reports of poor quality control from Takata due to their ever increasing workload, and a shift in the automobile industry to 'just in time' manufacturing, where suppliers could be fined tens of thousands if a production line stops because they didn't have the parts. There are also videos showing pallet loads of airbags modules falling off forklift trucks as they're being loaded, and being shipped anyway.

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From the talk that I see from them, they see to be intimating that they would need to engineer a solution and test their efforts, making a fix uneconomical???
Sadly, this is just marketing speak to make it sound as if they care. The reality is that they would need to go back to Takata (the obvious place, since they would have all the production details for the airbags), and ask them to come up with a replacement, which will cost them.

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This is my big fear Michaela...my registration is due at the end of January so time is running out for me I fear...
I didn't see that the cars would NOT be re-registered again, so there goes what I thought was good news.

Depending on the type of steering wheel, the airbags cost between £800 and £1,000, but production was stopped last year, so, theoretically, there should be modules available sitting in storage somewhere.
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UK cars are not affected, confirmed by a contact at Audi this morning

The recall is specific to Australian models as the airbags in question are specific to that market specification.

Now that means in theory UK bags would solve the problem, assuming we can get them there. However, how this would affect type approval I couldn't say. Whether or not the Australian DMV or equivalent would accept that a car has been made safe (and consequently allow it to be re-registered) by retrofitting Euro-spec airbags would need to be checked.
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Ok good news - I can ship airbags to Australia with a specialist courier. Its going to be in the order of £200GBP just for shipping, depending on which bags are needed. Both our sponsors and I have a reasonable stock of them.

So, the key quesion is will retrofitting UK bags will be an acceptable solution to the recall?

Edit - more info from a FB contact: apparently its just the driver's side (steering wheel) airbag which is needed which should be relatively straightforward to source.

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Old 20th December 2019, 02:36 PM
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On the old cars airbags was only good for 10 or 15 years anyway and was supposed to be replaced after that but it was never enforced due to the cost of replacements comparing to value of 10+ years old vehicle.

If it's official Audi recall I think it needs to be repaired by Audi or authorised repairer, signed off and recall database updated. I don't think Audi will take a risk to replace it with second hand part from another car or even model and sign it off. I also don't think that you can DIY it or get your local garage to replace it and just say it has been done.
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If it's official Audi recall I think it needs to be repaired by Audi or authorised repairer, signed off and recall database updated. I don't think Audi will take a risk to replace it with second hand part from another car or even model and sign it off. I also don't think that you can DIY it or get your local garage to replace it and just say it has been done.
I think the main issue for Audi drivers is how Audi themselves are dealing with this situation, in comparison to the other manufacturers who are also affected, and VW/Audi aren't exactly short of a bob or two. We spend a lot of time and money on our cars, so to be told that your car will be taken off the road is a bitter pill to swallow, hence why others are suggesting ways of dealing with it.

Take the likes of BMW who are recalling 12,000 of their cars in Australia. This is their response, and note the bit I highlighted in bold.

“BMW will arrange to tow your vehicle to repair facilities for inspection, or send a mobile technician out to your premises or vehicle’s location to inspect the vehicle,” the ACCC’s deputy chair, Delia Rickard, said on Thursday.

If your vehicle has been fitted with one of these dangerous airbags, BMW will arrange a loan or hire car or reimbursement for alternative transportation costs until airbag replacement parts are available or until other arrangements are made.

“You may also wish to discuss the vehicle being purchased back by BMW.”
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Ok good news - I can ship airbags to Australia with a specialist courier. Its going to be in the order of £200GBP just for shipping, depending on which bags are needed. Both our sponsors and I have a reasonable stock of them.
Good news indeed MikkiJayne! At the end of the day I would be happy to be driving around with a used airbag which is not on the considered to be dangerous list. I am not particularly fussed how that happens. If I need to do it myself then so be it..

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So, the key quesion is will retrofitting UK bags will be an acceptable solution to the recall?
I have read on the OzAudi forum that it might be possible to sign a waiver, and that in any case, at this stage it is not a compulsory recall.

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Edit - more info from a FB contact: apparently its just the driver's side (steering wheel) airbag which is needed which should be relatively straightforward to source.
Even better news! I am starting to see a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

This has been worrying me so much that i decided to take a peek myself yesterday to see if I could determine whether I really did have an affected airbag...

Move the steering wheel as far into the cabin and upwards as the controls will allow. Then remove the earth strap on the battery, cover the battery terminal, wiat a few minutes(to rule out stray current still lingering - a bit paranoid I realise).
Then remove two T-30 torx screws to release the airbag module from the steering wheel. Fold the module away from me to have a peek and...

Here are the details written on the back of my airbag. It mentions "bam-pt1-0593".

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On the old cars airbags was only good for 10 or 15 years anyway and was supposed to be replaced after that but it was never enforced due to the cost of replacements comparing to value of 10+ years old vehicle.
That is true, and I don't know of anyone who has done this in my world. Even the previous owner of the car in question here, who is not short of a quid, seems to have balked at the idea after seeking a quote from Audi in 2015:



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If it's official Audi recall I think it needs to be repaired by Audi or authorised repairer, signed off and recall database updated. I don't think Audi will take a risk to replace it with second hand part from another car or even model and sign it off. I also don't think that you can DIY it or get your local garage to replace it and just say it has been done.
You could be right there but this is a course of action that I will be considering if it becomes necessary. At the end of the day, I have been driving around most of my life in vehicles fitted with NO airbags and I am still here.
If fitting an old and potentially useless airbag which doesn't have the taint associated with this latest recall means that my partner will get back in the car with me then it will be worth it.
As it stands, she won't set foot in it after hearing about the recall, even though she was happy to ride around with me in that same vehicle last week!


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I think the main issue for Audi drivers is how Audi themselves are dealing with this situation, in comparison to the other manufacturers who are also affected, and VW/Audi aren't exactly short of a bob or two. We spend a lot of time and money on our cars, so to be told that your car will be taken off the road is a bitter pill to swallow, hence why others are suggesting ways of dealing with it.

Take the likes of BMW who are recalling 12,000 of their cars in Australia. This is their response, and note the bit I highlighted in bold.

“BMW will arrange to tow your vehicle to repair facilities for inspection, or send a mobile technician out to your premises or vehicle’s location to inspect the vehicle,” the ACCC’s deputy chair, Delia Rickard, said on Thursday.

If your vehicle has been fitted with one of these dangerous airbags, BMW will arrange a loan or hire car or reimbursement for alternative transportation costs until airbag replacement parts are available or until other arrangements are made.

“You may also wish to discuss the vehicle being purchased back by BMW.”

So true Steamship! Audi's approach to this really stinks! I wish that they would deal with this issue more in line with BMW's approach, that is for sure!
Here is what I posted on OzAudi about this"
Consider what BMW have said about their affected vehicles!



In particular, I found this passage very interesting. ...
..."We still haven't concluded whether there's actually a real problem or not, but we didn't want to wait for the [coroner's inquest].

"We're giving them the option to rent a car, we can buy back your car. We're working with each and every customer to ensure that they're mobile and that they're being looked after even though it's a 20-year old car.

"We'll store it if someone wants to keep it – if it's a collector's car. There's a time to repair it; we can store it for them until that time..."
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Did you happen to get a larger pic of the whole back of the airbag, and also the connector?

Audi's response is symptomatic of them actively wanting to kill off older models. They hate the classic and vintage cars being in the hands of enthusiasts like us and would much rather they be hidden away in a basement in Ingolstadt where no one can enjoy them.
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Default Looks like no. Most of the back. But not of the connector...

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Did you happen to get a larger pic of the whole back of the airbag, and also the connector?
I didn't think to capture the connector....
If i disconnected the airbag then I would have to clear a code, no?

I have a cheap ebay cable and vwtool but am reluctant to disconnect in case I get an airbag light in the cluster which I am unable to extinguish... If you could reassure or guide me then I could be persuaded to disconnect the airbag connector from the steering wheel.

Did you want a view of the connector unconnected? Showing the pins?



I will go down fighting on this one. This car should be enjoyed and not mothballed or destroyed!
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I found it to be funny at any rate!
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