Anyone live in Bolton ????

[tc4332]

This has become rather strange.
I'll bring you up to date but can't repeat what Ricky has told me via PMs (I have to leave that to him)
None of my contacts have heard of this car sales firm.
So I mounted my trusty 8 and had a drive to the area.
The address they gave was "Unit 22" in this Industrial Estate.
They had the road name correct but the units only went up to 21.
Across the road from these units was a new one numbered 1004, and I did find one that claimed to be 35.
Everything else was very large conglomerate food factories and warehouses.
Ricky told me that they claimed to have two other warehouses where they stored theiir cars. One in Exeter and one in Sunderland.
Now it seems that their web page has vanished.

[paulrstaylor]

Suspected it was a scam just hope no money exchanged hands?

[tintin]

Originally Posted by tc4332

This has become rather strange.
I'll bring you up to date but can't repeat what Ricky has told me via PMs (I have to leave that to him)
None of my contacts have heard of this car sales firm.
So I mounted my trusty 8 and had a drive to the area.
The address they gave was "Unit 22" in this Industrial Estate.
They had the road name correct but the units only went up to 21.
Across the road from these units was a new one numbered 1004, and I did find one that claimed to be 35.
Everything else was very large conglomerate food factories and warehouses.
Ricky told me that they claimed to have two other warehouses where they stored theiir cars. One in Exeter and one in Sunderland.
Now it seems that their web page has vanished.

Good work that man! Are you available for PI hire generally Ray?

[tc4332]

Only if i can have my son Craig with me.
He is our youngest, about 6 foot tall 9 foot wide and nicknamed Tank.
He must be allowed to wear shades

[moltuae]

Good work Ray!

I'm guessing this car never existed. Probably some sort of deposit scam. Advertise non-existent cars cheaply then urge potential buyers to pay a deposit to secure the car before seeing it.

Originally Posted by tc4332

Only if i can have my son Craig with me.
He is our youngest, about 6 foot tall 9 foot wide

Gonna need a bigger car I think.

Although you don't say how deep he is. Width might not be a problem if he's thin enough to fold in half.

[tc4332]

You have met him Mark, at the Christmas meet when we first got to know each other.

[steamship]

Originally Posted by tc4332

Only if i can have my son Craig with me.
He is our youngest, about 6 foot tall 9 foot wide and nicknamed Tank.
He must be allowed to wear shades

And with those dimensions, who's going to argue with what he wears

[moltuae]

Originally Posted by tc4332

You have met him Mark, at the Christmas meet when we first got to know each other.

Of course, I remember now. And very nice bloke he is too. Certainly not foldable but appeared to fit in your 8 without any problem

[Ricky22buk]

Good Morning Guys !

I feel I have to explain myself a little now that I’ve had a little help from the forum, so here goes with my tail of woe!

I have been tempted 2 buy a car from Enville Motors in Bolton. Their website is www.envillecars.net, they apparently trade from Bolton, and they specialise in repossessions & end of lease cars. They told the following:

1. They repossess the cars and store them in one of their two warehouses, one in Exeter, and one in Sunderland. The car I was enquiring about was apparently stored in Exeter.
2. They also tell me after they repossess a vehicle they pay the outstanding finance on the cars and the flags are removed from the register so all their cars are HPI clear.
3. They say they advertise the car and try to sell the car immediately, but any that don’t sell go to auction with the advertised price being their starting price at auction. They apparently hold their auctions twice a month and cars are available for viewing and test drives on the day of the auction. Should you be happy to buy over the phone, they ask for a 40% deposit and £200 delivers the car to your home address, where you have the option of a 100 mile test drive and a free no question asked 5 day returns policy. I know this alone sounds dodgy as it could be a way to getting you to send them money and no car ever appears, but they do give you the other option of viewing and test driving before purchasing at auction. That coupled with the fact they have been in business since 2009 gave me some sort of positivity!
4. They say their prices are very low because the cars are repossessed and they don’t have showroom overheads.

To say I'm reluctant is obviously the understatement of the year, as we all know, when things look 2 good 2 be true they usually are, but my reason for posting on the forum was simply to see if anyone in the area knew them or anything about their reputation. Are they respectable or dodgy company? The other problem I have is that Google doesn’t seem to bring up much, which I find strange, as they have been in business since 2009. Having said all that, there is a possibility this is all-legit as I know repossessed cars and end of lease cars have to be sold somewhere. I simply needed some sort of concrete evidence before I would proceed and as of yet that hasn't surfaced.

Their prices seemed REALLY cheap which alone makes us all sceptical and nervous, but they have been trading since 2009 which made me think this couldn’t be a scam if its been trading for so long. In general it all sounds fair enough but the scientism in me just has doubts. At the end of the day if they were legit, the car I'm considering is a 2016 car so still covered under the manufacturers warranty.


The address on their website is stated below, and Ray has kindly taken a drive to see what he could see, and apparently Unit 22 does not exist!

Enville Motors. Unit 22, Westhoughton, Great Banks Road, Wingates Industrial Estate, Bolton, BL5 3XU. When I use Google maps for this I find the industrial estate but cant see anything to give me concrete evidence it exists.


When I received their sales invoice the sellers registered address is :

9 Cambria Square, Bolton, Greater Manchester, BL3 4DF. When I use Google maps and look for this it’s simply a house in the middle of a housing estate. The director of this company is Shahul Hameed Mohamed Nasar, and his company number in companies house is 07082572.


The only money I have been out so far is a cheap flight, which is really no big deal, and I would never have sent money without viewing a physical car. I did do a full HPI check myself and the car in question did show up clear. Unfortunately I have read stories online about HPI checks being clear and guys still got their cars lifted at a later date because there was still money owning on them. Strange!!!! How can that actually happen?

I have asked Envillecars to supply the finance companies name that was involved with the repossession so I can call them and satisfy myself. They were reluctant to give me the companies name and told me to satisfy myself with an HPI check. They did say they would consult their manager about giving me the details and get back to me, which obviously has never happened.

I have actually booked a flight for a viewing this Wednesday, but after I received a message a few nights I'm not so sure I will even use it now. One of the advertised pictures used on the Enville Motors website had a picture of a car parked beside a nice shed and it was being advertised for 10.5k. Nothing out of the ordinary there, except I recognised the shed because it is used in photos from a prestige dealer up the country a little. I over the years have admired some of his stock, and that’s the reason why I noticed it. Anyhow, I emailed the specialised dealer and told him my dilemma, and he asked me to forward him the photo. When I did he came back to me straight away and told me.... in his own words.....


I hope you really don't believe this is true?
We sold this car three weeks ago for over £20000.

Please do not part with any money.

Will be reporting this, appreciate you contacting us.


So immediately alarm bells are ringing. The car I was looking to buy is HPI clear, as I have personally checked. They told me Wednesday was the best day to visit their warehouse and they said they would hold the car for me until I come over if I booked a flight. All seemed fine to be honest. Their website was decent and I assumed a company trading from 2009 should be legit enough. Woke the next morning to now find their website doesn't seem to work, possibly be taken down. I immediately thought the specialised dealer had been quick off the mark and had reported them resulting in their website being taken down. But the website has appeared since then again. It seems to work sometimes and not others!

So that’s my story of the week! Interesting? LOL

I know what you’re all thinking, who in their right mind would even consider buying a car from this crowd with all these doubts. Well, if I’m being honest, although I had my doubts, I thought, why not for the curiosity go and have a look? What harm can that do? I have HPI checked the car and it was clear, and the HPI guys guarantee if you lose out because of the information they supply they will cover you up to a value of 30K. The only exception to this is that they wont cover you if the selling price of the car is less than 30% below the market value, which you guessed it, happens to be applicable in my circumstance! So I’m thinking, if I was happy with all my own personal checks, and was able to view both the car and its documents before transferring any money, I thought what could possibly go wrong? In fact, I still can’t get my head around how they have been in business so long, yet they have no Google presence. SO WHAT ARE THEY SELLING, WHATS THE ATCH HERE? I’m not in anyway saying anything bad about this company, but I just have my doubts hence the reason for asking for help on the forum!!!! I still have a flight booked to fly tomorrow to view on Wednesday if I have a change of heart! LOL !






So I guess the question is :

Who would run a mile or who would take a chance and go to for a jolly to view something that may or not be there ? LOL.

[HPsauce]

Royal Mail does NOT recognise that address.
Postcode is valid but within it nothing resembling that unit number or business name.