|
|
|||||||
| Daily banter For everything, and anything that doesnt fit in elsewhere |
 |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
9th September 2014, 05:26 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Emergency spare and MOT test
Hi folks,
I had my S8 MOT tested this week and failed first time because I had my spare fitted, which was 18" with same diameter tyre after a cracked rim resulted in flat tyre. Apparently the rules are wheels and tyres have to be identical across the same axle. Fitting 18" winter wheels solved problem. Retest within next working day at no further cost. Lesson learned and hopefully knowledge passed on to this community. Richardracer
__________________
 2006 Audi S8 V10 Now Sold.  Akoya Silver with black/grey leather, standard 20" wheels, hybrid TV, Bang & Olufssen audio, Heated seats front and rear, Dension ipod integration, DAB radio, keyless entry, rear electric blind, bluetooth connection to Apple iphone6S. Started at 60,000 miles end April 12. Now 171,500 miles as at Oct 2017. Now sold to fellow forum member.
|
|
#2
9th September 2014, 05:31 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
I'll check with my MOT tester mate, who passed both my S8 and Focus recently.
 Was the spare a different diameter rim? If not what exactly was the mismatch?
__________________
2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions, ski hatch retrofit; extended leather. Aftermarket DVB-T, reversing camera and full XCarlink (Bluetooth etc.). 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one!  Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course.  (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850! 
|
|
#3
9th September 2014, 05:36 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
This is a stupid rule! It means that folks with staggered wheels like mike and myself could end up with a refusal if we take our spare wheel along on the MOT test - I keep a spare that is actually 18" with 245 45 18 tyre on it in the boot at all times because I run summer and winter wheels that are either 21" or 20" respectively and the spare happens to be a rolling radius smack bang in between the two sizes so that it will work without causing a quattro fault . . . Geez!!
__________________
Confidence is the feeling you have before you know better . . . .  Audi A8 D2 3.7 Quattro Sport 1999 FL - Melange 2nd Place Winner - A8-Freunde Annual German Meet 2012 at Edersee 20" x 9" Bentley GTC Wheels with 385mm W12 Front Discs & Bentley Caliper Covers, Front Lowered on Coilovers, Xenons, Combined DRLs and LED Foglights to modified OEM front fog lamp position, Alcantara/Leather, Full Black Alcantara headlining + pillars and blind shelf, Bespoke Flat Bottomed Sports Steering Wheel, Dark Myrtle Wood, Autodim Mirrors, Bose, Blinds, Digital TV, Ski Hatch, Modified rear exhaust section for extra V8 Burble Audi S8 D2 Final Edition 2002, Avus Silver with Red Leather Interior Tiptronic with Sport mode button, Sony rear entertainment package, Bose sound system, Audi Navigation Plus, 20 inch Final Edition alloys, Full Cat Back Stainless Milltek exhaust, giving a great V8 burble Audi A8L D2 4.2 Petrol with LPG - Ebony Black Audi A8L D4 FL 4.0T Petrol twin turbo - Havana Black Audi A2 1.6 FSi Sport - Dolphin Grey with Votex body kit and Red Leather Interior and some other A8's A8L's and Mercs
|
|
#4
9th September 2014, 05:43 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
I don't think the MOT checks the spare (or not that precisely); this was on the car in use if you reread the post.
I have separate summer and winter spares.
__________________
2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions, ski hatch retrofit; extended leather. Aftermarket DVB-T, reversing camera and full XCarlink (Bluetooth etc.). 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
|
|
#5
9th September 2014, 05:44 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
The spare wheel isn't part of the MoT unless it's fitted to the car - there's loads of cars with staggered wheels from the factory (incl my parents Lexus IS and myriad BMWs)
What you must have across EACH axle is tyres of the same size and type of construction Section 4.1 of the MOT testers manual 'Tyres (structure)' states reason for rejection: One tyre is of a different nominal size or aspect ratio to any other on the same axle. A temporary use or space saver wheel and tyre fitted as a road wheel The only thing mentioned regarding spare wheels is under section 4.2 (road wheels) which states that 'the vehicle presenter should be informed if a defect is noticed on a spare wheel' but doesn't actually form part of the inspection to check it if it's buried away under the boot floor. You might notice a defect on a wheel slung underneath when checking components from under the car
__________________
===SOLD===2002 Audi S8 D2 Final Edition (yes, really) in Avus Silver with purple extended leather===SOLD=== 2011 S5 Sportback in Phantom Black with black Super Sports leather, 9x20s, tech pack high, adaptive xenon plus, intelligent key, memory seats pack, sunroof, B&O, Audi Drive Select & quattro Sports Diff, DAB, parking system plus 2015 VW Golf GTI Performance Pack in Carbon Grey with black Vienna leather, tech pack (Discovery Pro nav & Dynaudio), DCC, factory towbar and retrofit RVC
|
|
#6
9th September 2014, 05:45 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Thanks for pointing that out Andrew - long day here!
__________________
Confidence is the feeling you have before you know better . . . . Audi A8 D2 3.7 Quattro Sport 1999 FL - Melange 2nd Place Winner - A8-Freunde Annual German Meet 2012 at Edersee 20" x 9" Bentley GTC Wheels with 385mm W12 Front Discs & Bentley Caliper Covers, Front Lowered on Coilovers, Xenons, Combined DRLs and LED Foglights to modified OEM front fog lamp position, Alcantara/Leather, Full Black Alcantara headlining + pillars and blind shelf, Bespoke Flat Bottomed Sports Steering Wheel, Dark Myrtle Wood, Autodim Mirrors, Bose, Blinds, Digital TV, Ski Hatch, Modified rear exhaust section for extra V8 Burble Audi S8 D2 Final Edition 2002, Avus Silver with Red Leather Interior Tiptronic with Sport mode button, Sony rear entertainment package, Bose sound system, Audi Navigation Plus, 20 inch Final Edition alloys, Full Cat Back Stainless Milltek exhaust, giving a great V8 burble Audi A8L D2 4.2 Petrol with LPG - Ebony Black Audi A8L D4 FL 4.0T Petrol twin turbo - Havana Black Audi A2 1.6 FSi Sport - Dolphin Grey with Votex body kit and Red Leather Interior and some other A8's A8L's and Mercs
|
|
#7
9th September 2014, 05:46 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
It raises an interesting question Adrian - so does all that mean that the minute you put your space saver spare on the car it is no longer compliant with the MOT because the wheels on the same axle are not matching thereby voiding the MOT and the insurance?
__________________
Confidence is the feeling you have before you know better . . . . Audi A8 D2 3.7 Quattro Sport 1999 FL - Melange 2nd Place Winner - A8-Freunde Annual German Meet 2012 at Edersee 20" x 9" Bentley GTC Wheels with 385mm W12 Front Discs & Bentley Caliper Covers, Front Lowered on Coilovers, Xenons, Combined DRLs and LED Foglights to modified OEM front fog lamp position, Alcantara/Leather, Full Black Alcantara headlining + pillars and blind shelf, Bespoke Flat Bottomed Sports Steering Wheel, Dark Myrtle Wood, Autodim Mirrors, Bose, Blinds, Digital TV, Ski Hatch, Modified rear exhaust section for extra V8 Burble Audi S8 D2 Final Edition 2002, Avus Silver with Red Leather Interior Tiptronic with Sport mode button, Sony rear entertainment package, Bose sound system, Audi Navigation Plus, 20 inch Final Edition alloys, Full Cat Back Stainless Milltek exhaust, giving a great V8 burble Audi A8L D2 4.2 Petrol with LPG - Ebony Black Audi A8L D4 FL 4.0T Petrol twin turbo - Havana Black Audi A2 1.6 FSi Sport - Dolphin Grey with Votex body kit and Red Leather Interior and some other A8's A8L's and Mercs
|
|
#8
9th September 2014, 06:00 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
If you ran on a space-saver spare for an excessive distance/time or inappropriate speed/conditions (vs the manufacturers recommendations) I'm sure the insurers would look at that very carefully if there was an incident.
__________________
2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions, ski hatch retrofit; extended leather. Aftermarket DVB-T, reversing camera and full XCarlink (Bluetooth etc.). 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
|
|
#9
9th September 2014, 06:10 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
AFAIK the tyres also have to have the same speed and load rating on the same axle not just size. The mot should also check the condition of spare wheel to ensure it hasn't got any defects as long as it's visible. I don't think testers can remove stuff to examine parts. This potentially could cause problems in the future on cars with full underbody covers fitted (like many are doing for efficiency reasons) because it'll be much harder to see corrosion. They're less likely to corrode being covered but as many of you know tin worm sneaks about!
__________________
 PF late '97 D2 2.8 Aluminium Silver. Solar roof, Full Heated Leather, Double Glazing, 17" wheels, Sports Steering Wheel, Cruise, Blinds, Bose sound.  Fiat Tipo diseasel econobox with all the buttons and none of the soul that now does all the heavy lifting. Ford Capri Laser: noisy, slow, thirsty, bouncy, no buttons but it always sounds like it’s REALLY trying and I can’t help but chuckle when it parps and boings along. And people of a certain age stare at it with a wistful look in their eyes that clearly says…I had one of them. And I sold it because of the kids 
Last edited by B@fink; 9th September 2014 at 06:16 PM.
|
|
#10
9th September 2014, 07:08 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Download the class 4 manual from here to find out exactly what they should be looking at - it's surprisingly limited in most areas
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/ There had to be a change to UK law to allow space savers to be used when they were introduced. Space savers are like run flats - they're designed to get you a minimal distance at a minimal speed, as an alternative to being stuck somewhere with no spare. The tread doesn't last long for obvious reasons and they run at about 65psi as a rule so are hard as nails! A full size spare is always preferable, but obviously adds significant weight (and cost of an extra wheel and tyre vs a cheap space saver/can of foam!) Load and speed index don't apply to the car test, but do for others ETA - the browsable version of the manual is crap - you have to download the full version!
__________________
===SOLD===2002 Audi S8 D2 Final Edition (yes, really) in Avus Silver with purple extended leather===SOLD=== 2011 S5 Sportback in Phantom Black with black Super Sports leather, 9x20s, tech pack high, adaptive xenon plus, intelligent key, memory seats pack, sunroof, B&O, Audi Drive Select & quattro Sports Diff, DAB, parking system plus 2015 VW Golf GTI Performance Pack in Carbon Grey with black Vienna leather, tech pack (Discovery Pro nav & Dynaudio), DCC, factory towbar and retrofit RVC Last edited by Adrian E; 9th September 2014 at 07:10 PM.
|
|
|
|
Linear Mode
