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Old 29th October 2015, 10:55 AM
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The Daily Town Car - 2023 Tesla Model Y Performance. Black with Black. Giant ipad screen, huge sunroof, 4 wheel drive, Tow bar, lots of ooomph and made in China, so actually built properly unlike the Californian ones.

The Family Wagon - 2018 Tesla Model X. Black, 7 Seats, Towbar, Homelink, Enhanced Auto pilot with Summon and self park, Heated front seats, CCS Charger upgrade, MCU2 Upgrade, Falconwing Doors, Self opening / closing doors, Netflix, Spotify, toys, Air suspension, alcantara roof + lots of other stuff......

The 17 year old Driver Wagon 2015 Skoda Citigo Monte Carlo. Alloys, Power steering, Aircon, Leccy windows, Sat Nav, bluetooth, central locking, cup holders, 59 whole bhp. Million times better than my first car. Well jealous.....

The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
2003 C5 RS6 Blue, 1998 D2 S8 Black, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue, 2003 D3 4.2 Ming Blue,
2005 B7 S4 Blue, 2006 D3 3.0 Tdi Black, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2003 D3 4.2 LPG Crystal Blue,
2000 D2 S8 Silver, 2007 3.0 Tdi Q7 Black, 2009 B8 S4 Black, 1998 D2 S8 Agate Grey,
2006 D3 4.2 Tdi Blue, 2006 D3 S8, 2007 Q7 3.0 Tdi, 2006 C6 S6,

The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
2007 4.2 Tdi Q7, 2006 S4 Cab Silver, 2010 RS6 Saloon Black , 2007 TT Roadster,
2010 A8 D4 4.2 Silver, 2006 C6 A6 2.7 Tdi Quattro, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue (again), 2008 Q7 4.2 Black,
2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
2009 TT Roadster Daytona, 2015 Q7 4.2 tdi lava grey, 2002 GmbH D2 demonstrator, 2006 D3 A8 LWB 4.2 Tdi Black

Most Recent Audis:

2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2007 4.2 FSi Q7 ABT Blue, 2016 S5 Coupe Launch model, 2004 S4 B6 Cabriolet, 2016 Q7 Sline White, 2006 Q7 4.2 FSi Black, 2012 Q7 Sline+ 4.2Tdi White, 2008 Blue Audi S8

Everything Else

1989 Subaru Justy, 1986 Vauxhall Cartlton 2.0 GL, 1985 Vauxhall Carlton 2.2 CDi, 1987 Ford Sierra XR4x4, 1983 Vauxhall Senator, 1985 Vauxhall Senator 3.0i, 1997 Polo Saloon, 1997 Peugeot 306 1.9 TDi, Ford Sierra Sapphire 2000E, 1990 Subaru Justy, 2000 Subaru Impreza, 2000 Subaru Impreza RB5, 1993 Range Rover LSE, 2005 VW Bora, 2003 Skoda Superb, 2003 VW Passat V6 4 Motion, 1996 Peugeot 106, 2000 Range Rover 4.0, 2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance
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Old 29th October 2015, 02:36 PM
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But Tesla are now getting some bad press:

http://mashable.com/2015/10/28/tesla-hype/#6DcAKwsVJgq.
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Old 29th October 2015, 07:25 PM
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Avoid the used RWD ones though, best get a AWD version.
I more or less decided my next car would be a used Model S, but researching more about them the drivetrain replacements kept popping up as a real issue.
I understand a lot of these are replaced proactively, and the % of replacements out of the whole population is probably small, too small even for Consumer Report threshold for registering a problem. But to me its alarming to see even a small number of replacements of (what should be) an essentially maintenance free drivetrain.
The whole point of electric motor and single speed transmission is that it is supposed to be ultra reliable, rugged and long lived compared to a internal combustion engine. So few moving parts, etc. But it appears the motor torque is just too much for a single speed gearbox and rear wheel drive. Real shame. I was hoping they solved this after the difficulties with the roadster 2-speed transmission chewing gears.
Once out of warranty this is not a problem I would want to face.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...nt-Poll/page12

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-big-a-problem

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...or-replacement

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Old 30th October 2015, 08:44 PM
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Goran, D2 is the best car ever built. Forget tesla.
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Old 31st October 2015, 09:52 AM
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Goran, D2 is the best car ever built. Forget tesla.

I need reminding, and the faults of these other cars help me remember.
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Old 2nd November 2015, 01:38 PM
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The Model S is the future, the '8 is the past (but a very nice one).

Here's a good, very concise, and readable article on why:

http://qz.com/529428/have-tesla-and-...-of-no-return/
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I read an article earlier today about the concept Lexus hydrogen cell car that appeared at the Japanese motor show. It said that this was the future, not electric cars.
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Old 2nd November 2015, 01:56 PM
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Possibly, and that'd be good, but the barriers to entry for that to happen seem to be higher, and no-one is really driving that yet, either in terms of model release, or infrastructure build. It would be a "cleaner" solution, but I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon (i.e. before the next decade).

Either way, Audi/VAG and the others are going to have to change fundamentally, and pretty quickly.
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Excellent article.
No problems with the strategy and the vision (doing the right things)
I'm worried about the tactical execution (doing things right) given the Goran's links.
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Excellent article.
No problems with the strategy and the vision (doing the right things)
I'm worried about the tactical execution (doing things right) given the Goran's links.
I think they'll be fine, and those are relatively minor growing pains. Look at the relatively smooth release of their V7 software ("Autopilot") recently, as an example. It was delayed by a couple of weeks, admittedly - very Telsa/Elon Musk - but my Tesla now accelerates faster, stops better, and handles more crisply (amongst other things) and all done without it leaving my driveway .

I'm pretty sure they've passed the tipping point now, and it's easier to do things right when you've got a simple business model, clear strategy, a great product and the wind direction is on in your favour. None of which seems to apply to the major players - dismantling and rebuilding a multibillion $ enterprise/ecosystem is far, far harder for them to do. Though to be fair to the Germans, at least they're trying: JLR don't seem to have a clue about what's happening/about to happen.
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