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Old 18th January 2020, 06:52 PM
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The RNSE firmware has code for communicating with two kombi (cluster) types:
One is called “mono” (fairly obviously monochrome I would assume) in the debug messages. This is the one I’m used to in the 8N/8J TTs.
The other is named “hicol” (maybe hires colour?) and I’ve no idea which model that was used on, or even perhaps NOT used on, but perhaps intended for... any clues?
The RNS-E (mk 1) directly drove monochrome screens in the TT and late (2004/2005) A6 C5 from memory.

The A4 B6 & B7 used the colour variant (B7 officially, but often retrofitted into the B6 with ease) and from memory the B6/7 screen rez was higher than that of the earlier D2 cluster. I think the A3 used it too later on, but can't comment on the mono/colour status. A6 C6 from 2005 went MMI, and the A8 went MMI from end 2002 so they were out of the running.

In fact, the D2 cluster, being the A8, and released in 1998, was likely Audis first stab at releasing a colour cluster as we didn't see it in any other models until 2005 I think.

It gets more complex, as the original D2 facelift colour cluster from 1998-2000 differed from the 2000-2002 version. The former supported the RNS-C, which may have been pre-canbus (don't quote me on that though without checking elsa which I dont have to hand)

From 2000, the RNS-C was replaced by the RNS-D, but it ran its own blaupunkt canbus signal which the Audi cluster didn't understand. This is why D2's of that era had the infamous 'TMC / Can gateway' installed behind the dash, even though they never officially supported TMC. The TMC module was a gateway between the blaupunkt canbus standard, and Audis.

To get any life out of the RNS-E at all, you have to bypass the Can gateway as the RNS-E talks native Audi canbus straight to the D2 cluster, but not in a colour resolution that the D2 cluster understands (seemingly)

It would certainly be very interesting to sniff the canbus traffic and see if any sense can be made of it. Other folk have made bespoke displays that come up on other models of Audi, so injecting graphics into the DIS via canbus is certainly do-able, just a case of whether the effort of getting the D2 one to work is worth it.....
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Old 21st January 2020, 01:30 PM
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To get any life out of the RNS-E at all, you have to bypass the Can gateway as the RNS-E talks native Audi canbus straight to the D2 cluster, but not in a colour resolution that the D2 cluster understands (seemingly)
Okay, some usefull background there - thanks.

Earlier you said...
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The RNS-E does successfully transmit text data for Radio/CD/MP3 into the top line, so its not like a bad coding config or mismatched canbus signal.
So is that going through the gateway or not?

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Injecting graphics into the DIS via canbus is certainly do-able, just a case of whether the effort of getting the D2 one to work is worth it.....
Probably not... but I'm prepared to give it a go because I like a challenge. I'm certainly not expecting a quick fix.

@MikkiJayne:
So what is the best way to go about getting me some test kit (RNS-D and D2 cluster would seem to be the minimum). I see you're in Devon, which is a bit far for a collection (I'm in London/Horsham), but I'd contribute to postage - no need for you to be out of pocket.

And if possible can someone point me at some pinouts (esp. for cluster) for power and relevent CAN lines?
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Old 21st January 2020, 02:25 PM
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I will start collecting kit together. I have wiring diagrams too
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Old 21st January 2020, 03:13 PM
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So is that going through the gateway or not?
Not - The RNS-E will only talk (top line text) to the D2 cluster if its canbus lines are connected directly to the cluster, and not going via the TMC gateway. The TMC gateway has a 6 way connector plug - power +- and 2 canbus in, and 2 canbus out.

When installing the RNS-E, remove the TMC module from behind the cluster, throw it away, and join the canbus wires together, effectively bridging the connection from the Audio harness in the center console onto the correct infotainment canbus. Saves re-running fresh wires...... Not so applicable to a test rig mindst....
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2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
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Old 21st January 2020, 03:33 PM
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@IT - Cool, thanks for the clarification.
@MikkiJayne - Great. These will all be invaluable in wiring up a test ring.
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Just so you can see what's possible, my RNS-E Firmware Updates page here.
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Old 28th April 2020, 04:31 PM
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Is this an old non-HC SD card?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/transcend...-/222713853091

I too am preparing for a RNS-E conversion. I don't need navigation, as long as I can get SD cards that work I am happy to go for an older unit.
The newer RNS-E units with chrome knob that can support newer memory cards, they are all a lighter grey colour than the D2 plastic?

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Assuming the advert is correct, then yes they should be suitable.

The RNS-Es do have a slightly different surround colour to the D2 plastics. Not enough for it to bother me, but I know some have used Kiwi boot polish to darken it, or you could try some gel style bumper black treatment?
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Old 28th April 2020, 06:51 PM
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Is this an old non-HC SD card?
The advert says so and specifically lists older devices, so it would appear so.
There's also this seller.
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Old 28th April 2020, 11:15 PM
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Assuming the advert is correct, then yes they should be suitable.

The RNS-Es do have a slightly different surround colour to the D2 plastics. Not enough for it to bother me, but I know some have used Kiwi boot polish to darken it, or you could try some gel style bumper black treatment?
Except for the lower aircon controls that I have squirrelled away which went from IT to Amanda to me and which appears to be the only known perfectly matching lower section!
I could probably be persuaded to part if someone made me a decent enough offer!
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