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I think the people of Chernobyl might disagree with that first graph. Also, when solar goes wrong it doesn't tend to render the area uninhabitable for 20,000 years.
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The nuclear industry also has a less than perfect track record of concealment of problems, which seems embedded in the industry culture (particularly in the West), so I'm slightly sceptical about safety claims. As a topical and close to home example, Hunterston B, on the West Coast of Scotland, is still shut down, due to the cracks discovered around the core of that reactor. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47485321 It's also worth noting the global tendency to site nuclear sites far from large population centres, which may or may not imply some concern about the fallout risk.
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And while even one death is a death too many, nuclear is still statistically the safest, so I don't think we should be deterred by the disasters of the past. We should learn from disasters such as Chernobyl and move on. Similarly, despite over 1 million deaths caused by road traffic accidents worldwide each year, nobody would suggest we ban all motorised vehicles. Instead we learn from accidents and strive to make roads safer through research and technology.
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And the holy grail would be Cold Fusion of course, if we ever crack that elusive problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion Personally I think that we should also focus on developing better ways to extract geothermal energy along with making nuclear power safer. Solar and wind energy are ok for supplementing small-scale local energy needs but they're far too impractical for meeting global energy needs.
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What he says does make a lot of sense I think though. When you consider the vast amount of land, materials, manufacturing energy, transportation, hazardous materials, etc, etc that would be required to produce sufficient wind and solar generation units to power the entire planet, there will certainly be a price to pay, especially when you consider that those type of renewable energy sources produce miniscule amount of power relative to their size.
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The first one cites the Lancet (a peer-reviewed medical science journal): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...253-7/fulltext You need to register to view the study (registration is free) so I've attached the pdf version of it. The second graph cites the US Dept. of Energy, in particular the Quadrennial Technology Review of 2015: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/fi...iew-2015_1.pdf
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Sources, sources everywhere...
....and not much time to think
Thanks for the reminder to watch the video Mark - I haven't yet, but I will when I get time later this week. Interestingly, a very quick (and therefore potentially not reliable ) google search brings up this website - https://www.wiseinternational.org/nu...s#main-content - which paints Shellenberger as a pro-nuclear activist (though it does seem to be written by an anti-nuclear group, which is why understanding sources is so important these days...). At least I can now judge between two sides of the story now And - to reinforce your point about technology moving on quickly - this article https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../12/1900556116 gives some of the latest developments about water electrolysis to generate hydrogen for fuel cell use
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I thought they built these things to ensure the world kept turning.
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