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VW CEO drinking Tesla Kool-Aid?
VW's EVs "will be available for half the price of a Tesla and just as capable" 15 months from now. Yeah, right....
https://electrek.co/2018/10/26/vw-ce...2020/?pushup=1
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I don't see why not tbh, given the amount of resource VW has to throw at it. Their entire diesel research budget for starters
Someone (oh it was you! ) posted a good article about it a while back, talking about while Tesla has good technology, they are still learning how to make cars in volume. One can't argue that VW has any problem with the latter, and Audi has most (all?) of the tech now. I think its really just a case of them figuring out how to make an acceptable amount of technology cheap enough to put in a Golf, and then sorting the battery. I think we're not getting the model 3 until the end of next year? Given the pricing in the US it'll probably be £35-40K here, so can VW make an equivalent e-Golf for £20K by then? I wouldn't bet against them. Last edited by MikkiJayne; 26th October 2018 at 08:35 PM. |
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The mainstream manufacturers have been waiting in the wings, as MJ says they have the resources to make better and cheaper Tesla comparisons. It's only a matter of time really. EVs are still not my cup of tea though
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I don't doubt they will be able to make some EVs for half the price of a Tesla: what I don't believe at all is that they will deliver the same capability in 15 months time.
And they certainly won't deliver Tesla volumes by that date - Tesla is now the biggest selling car manufacturer in North America by value. Waiting in the wings is more like scrabbling to catch up - without any clear strategy on charging infrastructure or capability to deliver electric powertrain volumes. The next year will be even more interesting than the last two
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Autos Autos everywhere... (1) 2015 Tesla Model S: (was 85D, now 90D ). Silent and deadly, and very fast... But not as fast as Ian's M3P- (2) 2002 D2 S8 Final Edition: Bulletproof and faultless: Brilliant Black with Extended (Red!) Leather. Three-times winner of Best D2 1st prize (3) 1997 Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo: Scots (! ) Green. Fragile, but beautiful. (4) 2010 Fiat Panda 100HP. White Pandamonium (Final Edition!!). Pure old-fashioned 6-speed go-karting. |
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As the months and years have spun by, Tesla has been building, in addition to electric cars and battery plants, an extensive network of chargers. The other manufacturers, as yet, have nothing. Nor do they have actual EV's, as opposed to vapour ware, that can credibly compete with Teslas offerings.
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They may have huge market capitalisation, but they have bugger all cash left, huge liabilities and only squeaked a profit in Q3 2018.... and a whole of load of precedents pointing to a big fail. Tesla got a march on the product, but haven't actually profited from it, nor are they likely too. The competition becomes so fierce from now on that Tesla will struggle to maintain a margin if they don't sort out their production, oh and did I mention the debt! |
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https://electrek.co/2018/10/24/tesla...#disqus_thread I'm surprised you think they're likely to have a big fail, given your knowledge of the industry: (some) people have been predicting this for years, and they're way more viable now than they've ever been - e.g. the margins on the Model 3 are higher that of those from traditional other makers - unless you're disputing that too - which is (one) of the factors behind their market cap.
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Autos Autos everywhere... (1) 2015 Tesla Model S: (was 85D, now 90D ). Silent and deadly, and very fast... But not as fast as Ian's M3P- (2) 2002 D2 S8 Final Edition: Bulletproof and faultless: Brilliant Black with Extended (Red!) Leather. Three-times winner of Best D2 1st prize (3) 1997 Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo: Scots (! ) Green. Fragile, but beautiful. (4) 2010 Fiat Panda 100HP. White Pandamonium (Final Edition!!). Pure old-fashioned 6-speed go-karting. |
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https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...-tron-gt/39208
Just for info.. Don't want to kick off the whole ICE v EV debate again please, think we know on here who are evangelistic about EVs and those who are not, and I suspect no amount of debate (factual or otherwise) will change that
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Funny how time seems to stand still for some of these Tesla killers . It looks like a Model S to me, which will have been on sale for 8 (eight!!) years by the time this lookalike arrives. Turning automotive supertankers round seems to take a very long time - 2020 is when the Tesla Roadster will (allegedly...) go on sale. Keep up ICECo's....
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Autos Autos everywhere... (1) 2015 Tesla Model S: (was 85D, now 90D ). Silent and deadly, and very fast... But not as fast as Ian's M3P- (2) 2002 D2 S8 Final Edition: Bulletproof and faultless: Brilliant Black with Extended (Red!) Leather. Three-times winner of Best D2 1st prize (3) 1997 Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo: Scots (! ) Green. Fragile, but beautiful. (4) 2010 Fiat Panda 100HP. White Pandamonium (Final Edition!!). Pure old-fashioned 6-speed go-karting. |
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It's based on a Porsche Taycan, another advantage traditional maufacturers have is they can share platforms..
Oh and they may keep adding 18 months to their timescales as they know there is little demand yet for EVs and they can continue to make lots of money selling ICE cars
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Audi S8 2002, Black (even the chrome bits) Audi RS6 Avant 2008, Daytona Grey Maserati Granturismo 2008, Metallic Nero Carbonio Audi S8 2015, Daytona Grey Last edited by briang9; 29th November 2018 at 10:35 PM. |
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