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10th August 2010, 09:40 PM
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Engine help
Every time I start the car I can feel the engine shaking, not violently but definitely noticeable. Quite embarrassing when passengers point it out. It does it on both petrol and LPG and the rev needle moves up and down just slightly, my old S8 never did this. The revs were always constant and the engine smooth. It only does it for the first 5 mins, after it warms up it is fine. Any ideas what it could be? Ben checked the cambelt the other day at Audi's in the park and said it had been put on wrong, could this contribute to it? I'm starting to feel I am just unlucky when it comes to cars now. If this is going to cost a lot I'm going to go shove it of a f\88in cliff
 Vag Com says this: Address 01: Engine Labels: 4D0-907-560-AVP.lbl Control Module Part Number: 4D0 907 558 J Component and/or Version: 4.2L V8/5V G 0004 Software Coding: 05753 Work Shop Code: WSC 00460 Additional Info: WAUZZZ4DZ1N003922 AUZ7Z0Y1489941 4 Faults Found: 17538 - Fuel Trim; Bank 2 (Mult): System too Lean P1130 - 35-00 - - 17536 - Fuel Trim; Bank 1 (Mult): System too Lean P1128 - 35-00 - - 18058 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster P1650 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent 16955 - Brake Switch (F): Implausible Signal P0571 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent Tuesday,10,August,2010,20:57:13:36799 VCDS Version: Release 908.1
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11th August 2010, 05:44 AM
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check your MAF sensor and hoses for operation / leaks Amar sounds like it might be an issue. The only other thing im wondering is that if the cam belt wasn't done quite right as Ben said then maybe its contributing to the lumpy running?
If its running lean then dont leave things too long and use super unleaded at all times for now
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11th August 2010, 07:26 AM
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There are two ways to do a cambelt change:
1) You have the correct Audi tools, you lock the camshafts and crankshaft in the correct position, remove old belt and fit new one and tension with everything locked up - This is the proper way to do it. 2) You cut corners by marking with chalk on the pulleys what position they were in when you take the belt off, and simply try and line it up when you put it back on. This is the quickest way to do it, and sadly a lot of garages will do this - even Audi ones ! - This leaves the belt potentially a little out of sync which the engine ECU can (and does) compensate for. I'm pretty sure you can see this is measuring blocks with Vagcom. I guess if you use method 2 too many times though, it would lead to unrecoverable discrepancies in the timing and it would be a problem. That said, I'd expect it to be a constant problem, not something that goes away after 5 mins. I had rough running on that engine when I first got it because the garage had left the cats off, and it had no lambdas so it got no signal and ran rough as it didnt know what its emmisions were. I wonder if you just have a simple problem on a lambda probe? The MAF is worth checking too... It cant be anything serious, it'll just be some mis-information that the ECU is getting from somewhere... oh.... and dont you threaten to push her off a cliff... Ggggrrrr..
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11th August 2010, 07:53 AM
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The timing belt's definately not helpoing Amar and could explain why it's worse when cold as the valve timing is altered during warm up, but also need to look for, as suggested, duff air mass and air leaks.
keep ya chin up bud and she'll run fine in the end!
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11th August 2010, 11:19 AM
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Neil, Its running V Power, that's all I have used in my S8 and this, I think the maf has been replaced recently, looks like an Audi genuine part to. Leaves the air leaks and cam belt now.
Thanks Ben, so its altered during warm up, that makes sense to. I think I will let you give it a very thorough health check when your back from Germany and get any issues that need doing sorted after pay day. Cambelt alone is £500 though and I would want to get the waterpump done and with it being a genuine part will need to add another £100 or so on to that. FFS 
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11th August 2010, 11:38 AM
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Ian, missed your post. The lambdas aren't showing any faults. Only get about 17mpg in this though whereas on the same journey would get 19 from my S8 which had fresh lambdas.
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11th August 2010, 11:57 AM
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17 is about right - you lose about 10% power/mpg on LPG ?
If you are seeing 17 on petrol though, then something isnt right....
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11th August 2010, 12:09 PM
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About 17 on petrol...
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11th August 2010, 12:33 PM
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I bow down to Bens expertise in this area.... I was seeing about 16 - 17 mpg average on LPG on a long run, with 19 - 20 on petrol on a long run (I only ever did long motorway runs). I guess if 17 on petrol is a mix of driving types its probably no worse than when I had it....
I didnt notice any vibration though....  I'd really like to know what Ben finds as its never missed a beat with me, although I guess I didnt go straight from another S8 into this one, so dont maybe have the direct comparison you do....
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11th August 2010, 02:08 PM
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That's with mixed driving, 65% motorway and 25% town. I hardly every push the car, get 20.5 on the motorway on a long run, used to get 22.5 in the S8.
As soon as you start it, the shaking is quite obvious. I was so embarrassed when a friend pointed it out and had my fingers crossed he wouldn't notice as he knows how much I paid for it. Boy was my face red when he said 'why the hells it shaking like that for' Only does it on idle.
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