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Old 20th June 2018, 10:17 PM
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C6 and D3 both have their phone modules under the passenger floor....


.... both can be got to with a little effort with the passenger still firmly in place.

My bet is still that its missing or been looped out.

If the unit goes faulty, it dies and breaks the MOST bus, so the whole MMI goes off.

For it to break enough to report as not installed, but not enough to break the fibre loop seems like a long shot to me...

There is no coding to enable a module either, if its on the most bus. It boots and becomes part of the system. Its really pretty fool proof......
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Old 21st June 2018, 05:49 AM
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Are these cars OK to disconnect the batteries to or is there a chance the electrics can play up? I know they probably throw up ghost faults but that's not a problem. If they are safe to disconnect then I would perhaps try that first?
I wouldn’t if you can avoid, my car went mental when the battery went flat. It threw up about 30 odd fault codes. They all cleared but scared the schnitzel out of me!
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Old 21st June 2018, 05:52 AM
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For it to break enough to report as not installed, but not enough to break the fibre loop seems like a long shot to me...
Mine did
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Mine did
I know.... thats why I went for 'long shot' rather than impossible.....
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The 17 year old Driver Wagon 2015 Skoda Citigo Monte Carlo. Alloys, Power steering, Aircon, Leccy windows, Sat Nav, bluetooth, central locking, cup holders, 59 whole bhp. Million times better than my first car. Well jealous.....

The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
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The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
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2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
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Everything Else

1989 Subaru Justy, 1986 Vauxhall Cartlton 2.0 GL, 1985 Vauxhall Carlton 2.2 CDi, 1987 Ford Sierra XR4x4, 1983 Vauxhall Senator, 1985 Vauxhall Senator 3.0i, 1997 Polo Saloon, 1997 Peugeot 306 1.9 TDi, Ford Sierra Sapphire 2000E, 1990 Subaru Justy, 2000 Subaru Impreza, 2000 Subaru Impreza RB5, 1993 Range Rover LSE, 2005 VW Bora, 2003 Skoda Superb, 2003 VW Passat V6 4 Motion, 1996 Peugeot 106, 2000 Range Rover 4.0, 2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance
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Old 21st June 2018, 10:31 AM
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Thanks all. Carpet is easy enough to take up so I'll do that to start with and see whats what under there at the weekend.

Still haven't fully got my head around RSAP, whether I have it, need it or want it but I understand it might solve the connectivity / signal issues.
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I know.... thats why I went for 'long shot' rather than impossible.....
Just as an aside, the same issue affects the VW Passat (maybe other VWs as well). My brother couldn't get his phone to connect despite BT being installed and active. The proposed solution found on one of the VW forums was exactly the same... disconnect it, cycle the ignition, reconnect, and try again. Unfortunately, his still won't connect.
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Old 21st June 2018, 01:33 PM
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Have you been tinkering in the green menu? Seems odd that the fitted and working module now is not assuming its dry etc.

Have you tried another possibly older phone to see if it works?
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Have you been tinkering in the green menu? Seems odd that the fitted and working module now is not assuming its dry etc.

Have you tried another possibly older phone to see if it works?
It says telephone is not installed (i.e the module) rather than telephone is not connected, i.e. when the module is online but there is no phone connected to it....
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The 17 year old Driver Wagon 2015 Skoda Citigo Monte Carlo. Alloys, Power steering, Aircon, Leccy windows, Sat Nav, bluetooth, central locking, cup holders, 59 whole bhp. Million times better than my first car. Well jealous.....

The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
2003 C5 RS6 Blue, 1998 D2 S8 Black, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue, 2003 D3 4.2 Ming Blue,
2005 B7 S4 Blue, 2006 D3 3.0 Tdi Black, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2003 D3 4.2 LPG Crystal Blue,
2000 D2 S8 Silver, 2007 3.0 Tdi Q7 Black, 2009 B8 S4 Black, 1998 D2 S8 Agate Grey,
2006 D3 4.2 Tdi Blue, 2006 D3 S8, 2007 Q7 3.0 Tdi, 2006 C6 S6,

The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
2007 4.2 Tdi Q7, 2006 S4 Cab Silver, 2010 RS6 Saloon Black , 2007 TT Roadster,
2010 A8 D4 4.2 Silver, 2006 C6 A6 2.7 Tdi Quattro, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue (again), 2008 Q7 4.2 Black,
2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
2009 TT Roadster Daytona, 2015 Q7 4.2 tdi lava grey, 2002 GmbH D2 demonstrator, 2006 D3 A8 LWB 4.2 Tdi Black

Most Recent Audis:

2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2007 4.2 FSi Q7 ABT Blue, 2016 S5 Coupe Launch model, 2004 S4 B6 Cabriolet, 2016 Q7 Sline White, 2006 Q7 4.2 FSi Black, 2012 Q7 Sline+ 4.2Tdi White, 2008 Blue Audi S8

Everything Else

1989 Subaru Justy, 1986 Vauxhall Cartlton 2.0 GL, 1985 Vauxhall Carlton 2.2 CDi, 1987 Ford Sierra XR4x4, 1983 Vauxhall Senator, 1985 Vauxhall Senator 3.0i, 1997 Polo Saloon, 1997 Peugeot 306 1.9 TDi, Ford Sierra Sapphire 2000E, 1990 Subaru Justy, 2000 Subaru Impreza, 2000 Subaru Impreza RB5, 1993 Range Rover LSE, 2005 VW Bora, 2003 Skoda Superb, 2003 VW Passat V6 4 Motion, 1996 Peugeot 106, 2000 Range Rover 4.0, 2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance
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I can also confirm that my A8 phone unit went bad but left the MOST Bus working. Only noticed when the phone icon wasn't on the bottom of my MMI screen.

When I checked, I had the same symptoms as the OP; 'Telephone Not installed' messages on the MMI screen and 'Cannot be reached' messages in VCDS for Address 77.

Lifted the carpet and no signs of water ingress; opened the ECU case but no visible issues. But had to fix it by replacing the unit with a cheap eBay replacement.

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Still haven't fully got my head around RSAP, whether I have it, need it or want it but I understand it might solve the connectivity / signal issues.
The original Bluetooth phone ECU in A8s was the 'Handyvorb2'; latterly I believe the 'BTA' [aka RSAP unit] was used instead.

The BTA is a 'better' unit as it uses an external aerial rather than the phone for reception, but although the Handyvorb2 and BTA are 'sort of' plug compatible, you can't easily replace the Handyvorb2 with the BTA as you won't have the external aerial you need.

Handyvorb2 HW part number is 4E0 862 335; it has 3 connections - electrical, optical & BT aerial.
BTA HW part number is 4F1 862 335; it has 4 conections - electrical, optical, BT aerial & external aerial.

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