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Old 27th December 2019, 09:58 AM
Lummox Lummox is offline
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Default Dash cluster crashing / rebooting on startup

Hello all, I have a weird probblem with my 2003 A8 4.0 tdi which I wondered if anyone could advise on?

Most times when I start the car, especially if it has been sitting overnight, the car starts fine but the dash cluster goes black (as does the button illumination through the MMI unit etc) and after a few seconds the dials come back on bu the time has reset to midnight and the date to Feb 2003.

This is sometimes accompanied by other warning lights (EML light, traction control, ABS etc) and sometimes not.

I have VCDS and have scanned it which has given the following results - however I've only just got my copy of VCDS so not very clued up on deciphering the results - can anyone assist?

Thursday,26,December,2019,21:53:33:04536
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
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VIN: WAUZZZ4E24N007142 License Plate:


Chassis Type: 4E (4E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 11 31 15 16 17 18 19 1E 25 34 36 37
38 42 46 47 4F 52 53 55 56 57 61 62 72 76

VIN: WAUZZZ4E24N007142 Mileage: 157280km-97729miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
11-Engine II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
31-Engine other -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1E-Media Player 2 -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
38-Roof Electronics -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
57-TV Tuner -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4E0 910 409 C HW: 4E0 907 409 B
Component: 4.0L 4V/TDI G000AGMª0020
Revision: <> Serial number: AUX3Z0C6120358
Coding: 0010773
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 2313E8E3E7D4E39FF45-8076

1 Fault Found:
18058 - Powertrain Data Bus
P1650 - 002 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 630 /min
Torque: 128.7 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Voltage: 13.53 V
Temperature: 38.7°C
Bin. Bits: 00000000

Readiness: 0 0 X X X

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09E-927-156.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 156 J HW: 09E 927 156 A
Component: AG6 09E 4,0LTDI RdW 0040
Revision: 00000001 Serial number: 0017213
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 00183 210 58462
VCID: 290FFACB85F839CFBE9-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4E0-910-517.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 517 A HW: 4E0 614 517 A
Component: ESP 5.7 allrad H29 0420
Coding: 0008557
Shop #: WSC 02313 000 00000
VCID: 211FE2EBFDC8F18FE69-8074

2 Faults Found:
02257 - Remote Control Receiver
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 203
Mileage: 157282 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2003.02.27
Time: 01:42:37

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 243
Mileage: 157282 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2003.02.27
Time: 00:00:35

Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 01


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 043 HW: 4E0 820 043
Component: KLIMAAUTOMAT 015 0240
Revision: 00000018 Serial number: 00000000020954
Coding: 1071105
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 5AED9507901E6257E73-800E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4E0-910-279.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 910 279 E HW: 4E0 907 279 E
Component: ILM Fahrer H11 0100
Coding: 0010001
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 2A0D05C780FE32D7B73-807E

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E2 910 113
Component: Wischer WWS D3 H30 0320
Coding: 00000030
Shop #: WSC 02311

No fault code found.

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Address 11: Engine II Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4E0 910 409 C HW: 4E0 907 409 B
Component: 4.0L 4V/TDI G000AGSª0020
Revision: <> Serial number: AUX3Z0C6120358
Coding: 0010773
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 2313E8E3E7D4E39FF45-8076

1 Fault Found:
18058 - Powertrain Data Bus
P1650 - 002 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 630 /min
Torque: 128.7 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Voltage: 13.53 V
Temperature: 38.7°C
Bin. Bits: 00000000


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4E0-910-655-84.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 655 HW: 4E0 959 655
Component: Airbag 8.4E+ H09 0940
Coding: 0431707
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 6393A8E3A754A39FB45-8036

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4E0-910-549.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 549 HW: 4E0 953 549
Component: Lenksäulenmodul H09 0030
Coding: 0112041
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 6597B6FBA960DDAF5A1-8030

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: Lenkradmodul H02 0050

2 Faults Found:
02441 - Yellow Malfunction Lamp in Instrument Cluster
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 203
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2003.02.27
Time: 01:42:59

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 10.56 V
Reset counter: 243
Mileage: 157288 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2003.02.27
Time: 01:42:59
No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4E0-910-283.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 283 HW: 4E0 919 283 A
Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H07 0030
Coding: 0001008
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 6099A7EFB642B887A97-8034

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:59, VBatt start/end: 14.1V/14.3V)-----------
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Old 27th December 2019, 10:25 AM
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RPM: 630 /min
Voltage: 13.53 V
Does it idle at 630rpm, or is that the cranking speed during starting?
It looks like there are missing CANBUS messages at this time the codes are set - some of the messages are telling dash illumination to come on etc...

If this happens again, can you manually turn the healights on and off a few times with pauses in between as this will send the illumination messages again.

I would think a low battery would cause this but the freeze frame voltage shown is good, but was this voltage perhaps after the engine started (630rpm)
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Old 27th December 2019, 02:41 PM
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The first thing I'd suggest you do is clear all the codes, as some date back to 2003. Once cleared, go for a drive (leave overnight if necessary to reproduce symptoms) and then scan again. Post that scan and go from there.

With regards to the current scan, I'd say it's possible a faulty connection on the instrument cluster, or, since both engine and ABS modules are throwing errors, then (if the same errors reappear), check the physical connections to these ECUs for water ingress, both of which are in the plenum chamber, and open to the elements.

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