EV/ICE tipping point reached?

[B@fink]

Well as they won’t allow fully ICE car sales in very few years from now, if we aren’t tipping yet, we very soon will be. Whether we like it or not!

[sarg]

Originally Posted by B@fink

Well as they won’t allow fully ICE car sales in very few years from now, if we aren’t tipping yet, we very soon will be. Whether we like it or not!

10 beer tokens says this date gets pushed back nearer the time

[HPsauce]

Originally Posted by sarg

10 beer tokens says this date gets pushed back nearer the time

And the definitions will be fudged. After all don't ALL current A8s include an element of hybrid technology?

[roberto]

i have a friend quite high up in the VAG sector and he said to me
electric vehicles is definately NOT the way forward

i agree but, you never know whats next from all these doo gooders who probably dont even have a car

i like the lpg way as i dont think that will stop being made for a very long time

too many £50,000+ diesel vehicles still being sold too

plus poor people with their VW Passat,s Golf,s etc cant afford any EV and probably never will

i actually darent test drive a Tesla as i think ill be hooked

[The_Laird]

I’m sure that in the not too distant future, car ownership will be unusual and we’ll have an app (or an implant!) that will call I up a driverless ‘car’ powered by an alternative to the ICE (hopefully I’ll be well past driving by then!). But an article in The Sunday Times a couple of days ago reckoned that people who had tried electric cars were going back to ‘proper’ cars in their droves. The main reasons were exceptionally poor infrastructure, lack of standardisation of charging connectors, poor ‘real’ range and difficulty with home charging if you live in a tower block, terrace or anywhere else without car standing/a garage. Add to that the cost (mentioned by many above) and it’s not a short term option for millions of drivers.

[steamship]

Originally Posted by ainarssems

Demand for electricity is pushing up prices already.

I made that comment previously (maybe on here), with the end result being that it means that everyone (car or carless) will ultimately be paying the price for EV cars.

[pete-p]

Originally Posted by The_Laird

... lack of standardisation of charging connectors...

This is one issue but I expect there is a reason for different connectors and adaptors are available I presume. I guess we are all used to just picking up a nozzle and it fitting without messing around.

I haven't looked into EOL on batteries but I hope that manufacturers aren't leaving it out and building up a huge problem for the future.

[Deckard]

I had an i3 and if I ever went anywhere beyond it’s at home charge range I found mostly broken or busy chargers. Range in winter dropped like an ice covered stone. Looked nice tho inside and out imho.
Read in Evo about synthetic fuel development by Porsche - could save us!

[MikkiJayne]

Synthetic fuels might save combustion engines as playthings but at significant, possibly prohibitive, cost it seems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0MPg7DxbY

[27litres]

I was talking to a mate the other day who has a mate (yeah... a mate of a mate...) who works in an energy mix think tank advisory to the federal opposition (Labor here currently, who are partly in bed with the Greens).
They estimate that if our national fleet of nearly 20 million "light vehicles" (anything under 3.5 tonnes) was to transition to total EV over the next 10-20 years, the energy required to charge them for current use patterns would be a factor of 15 above what the national grid currently generates.

Our vehicle usage habits may be above normal for places such as Europe and Asia. However, there is no doubt that it is a significant challenge for any electricity grid.

Being able to increase energy supply by that amount when we are attempting to close our dirty brown coal power stations and transition to cleaner energy (yeah... Federal govt thinks Natural Gas is clean energy... Cleaner perhaps!), they are suggesting nuclear energy, as solar/wind for the energy required is daunting in scale.

It won't be cheap. And governments (such as Victoria) are already introducing EV taxes... (Inevitable, but dumb currently).