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Old 17th December 2019, 01:44 PM
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At the price I paid I wasn't expecting genuine, but was expecting complete and unbroken.
It's an eBay business seller so I'll get my money back eventually or a good replacement.

For now I've sent photos, detailed the issues and asked for a prompt replacement that is complete and unbroken; let's see how they respond.

I need the car tonight for a few short journeys, today's weather is rubbish and it's running OK. Tomorrow I'll swap some bits around and hopefully make one acceptable unit from the two old ones I have.
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And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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Old 17th December 2019, 02:30 PM
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At the price I paid I wasn't expecting genuine, but was expecting complete and unbroken.
The genuine part isn't all that great anyway in my experience. If you end up with a refund instead of a replacement, I've found the Meyle equivalent part to be reliable, and relatively inexpensive too.
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Old 18th December 2019, 09:42 AM
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The Chinese also seem to sell a "repair kit" identified as part number 06H103495XB and listed as "for VW GOLF Passat AUDI A4 A5 TT" not A8.
The diaphragm is in 2 parts, so I'm not 100% sure this will work, but how many designs of PCV of that era does VAG have? (possibly just the one!).

Might be worth a punt just for the little valve if my eBay supplier doesn't send a decent replacement. £7.44 here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Separ...B/192873610010
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Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!

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Good find I think I'd probably still replace the whole thing, for that sake of another 10-15 quid (for as long as they're still available that is), but it's good to know new diaphragms are available too.
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Old 18th December 2019, 12:47 PM
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I've found another subtle but "challenging" difference between genuine and copies, in the diaphragm.
The edge of the main diaphragm is tucked into a slot in the "lid". The bottom half of the case has a fairly sharp edge that presses down into this slot to seal that edge very firmly.

BUT the shape (cross-section) of the edge strip is subtly different; the copy is pretty much square (about 2mm each way) but the OEM is tapered down into the slot, overall it has maybe 25% less material there.
This taper makes it easier to compress and seal; the copy is much more difficult to compress and makes it very difficult to snap the case shut.

I tried fitting a copy diaphragm into the OEM case and just couldn't get it closed at all! In the end I worked carefully around the edge of the copy diaphragm with a craft knife and pared off a sliver of material. Probably a bit too much as the diaphragm didn't then fit securely. But it enabled me to close the case properly and it tests as airtight.
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2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one!
Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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Old 21st December 2019, 03:23 PM
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… if my eBay supplier doesn't send a decent replacement....
But they did and it arrived yesterday and actually looks OK.
If we get a fine day soon I'll work out what I can make from the now 4 PCV valves I have in various states of originality and repair. Probably 2 and some spare bits.

The one on the car is definitely only temporary as it has a black (not orange ) non-OEM diaphragm that I pared down (somewhat excessively) to fit.
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2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one!
Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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Old 30th December 2019, 02:10 PM
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… make from the now 4 PCV valves I have in various states of originality and repair. Probably 2 and some spare bits.
Actually 2 and all the spare bits got binned. So I now have a fully-working PCV back on my car and a reasonably good spare.

Lessons learned from buying cheap clones that are inevitably not as accurately made as OEM:
1. They can arrive with components missing or broken.
2. The main diaphragm is "bulkier" around the edge.
3. The "bottom" section (with two pipes) is a very bad fit.
4. The "top" section isn't that accurate either.....

The solutions to these are:
1. Buy from sources with some buyer protection and get them replaced.
2. When fitting push it very firmly into the channel all round; I used the handle end of a teaspoon. I had trimmed one old diaphragm but eventually found that wasn't needed as the problem was really #3!
3. Reuse the old moulding if at all possible, I did and eventually binned both the new ones. It might be possible to trim them but I didn't work out where.
4. You might need to trim very slightly to enlarge the holes that the clips engage into. Do a test fit and look carefully at the alignment. I also used a small hammer to tap the clips firmly shut.

Final question for the experts. When swapping over this afternoon I had previously run the engine at idle long enough to warm up while doing other tasks, then left it briefly, though the engine was still quite warm. The PCV I took off had some condensation inside it, is that normal?
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions, ski hatch retrofit; extended leather. Aftermarket DVB-T, reversing camera and full XCarlink (Bluetooth etc.).
2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one!
Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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