D2 FL Fog Light Grill - Price Madness

[Sir WIll]

Well as we all know the FL fog light grill is just one of those parts that always seems to fall off or is missing.

So the wise people zip tie them into place and I would always recommend that route.

Now being honest I did not do this and mine fell off leaving an unsightly gap in the bumper which just could not be allowed to remain.

Looking at eBay they are being sold for £104 new and £80 used!! For a small piece of plastic this is a painful amount to pay for any D2 owner.

So I bought a new one, but from TPS for £66 ex VAT, a chunk of money but a lot cheaper than anywhere else.

So if you need one I would recommend the TPS route, part number for the passenger side is 4D0853635B if you need it.

[tonupkid]

Sounds like a worthwhile use for a 3D Printer

[oldnick]

so that gap in the bumper isn't a design feature ?

[oldnick]

is that price for the early Fl [ separate piece around the fog light ] or the later one piece grill ?

[Sir WIll]

Later FL one piece type.

[oldnick]

having decided that I just am NOT going to pay the crazy price for these I have decided to have a go at making replacements to at least neaten up the bumper
I think the early 2 piece grill is rectangular [ and the same both sides ]
could anyone let me have the dimensions ? I have the fog light surround bits
a photo would be great of course

[craig]

how about a 3d printed one ;) must be doable

[pete-p]

I need one of these too! Mine must be the early type as it seems to be a two part one.

[Dezzy]

how about a 3d printed one ;) must be doable

It deffo doable, i had some things 3D printed a few weeks ago.
Ideally you'd have an original laser scanned.
It's not cheap. The print material was £352 for 2kg and then the support material is £160 for 2kg then there are cleaning fluids to remove the support material after printing, that's just consumables one of the parts took 28 hours to print.

[Goran]

Or laying up a glass fibre mould?
It would be a bit stiff if cast from resin and glass fibre, but may be ok.
Or is there a better easy to use at room temperature plastic for moulding?
At least this way it would avoid the stepped lines left by 3D printing which would need sanding down.

[moltuae]

Or is there a better easy to use at room temperature plastic for moulding?


http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/mindsets-polymorph-250g-n14at

Might melt again though if there's much heat in that area.


Or there's Sugru: https://sugru.com/

[oldnick]

could anyone post a picture/dimensions of the early FL ones with the separate foglight surround ? are they handed ?

I have a cunning plan

[Architex_mA8tey]

Yes they are handed and in 4 pieces - 2 per side
The later 2001/2 type were larger 1 piece

[Architex_mA8tey]

Fog lamp piece

[Architex_mA8tey]

Rear of fog lamp piece

[oldnick]

thanks very much ...been offline for a few weeks then forgot this until now !:mad:

[MikkiJayne]

Hmm interesting. Will those early fog light surrounds fit the later models? I also have a cunning plan...

[funkmiester]

I have a 3D printer, two holes in my bumper and a great deal of ambition. It's not the printing, it's the drawing that will be the task, but I'm going to have a go. Failures will be photographed as well. Prototypes will be in white as I have black ABS on order.

[Delboy]

Instead of trying to draw it in 3d have you considered photogrammetry?

[oldnick]

I have a 3D printer, two holes in my bumper and a great deal of ambition. It's not the printing, it's the drawing that will be the task, but I'm going to have a go. Failures will be photographed as well. Prototypes will be in white as I have black ABS on order.

well that puts my idea in the shade [ clue ...my brother owns a dental laboratory ]

are you going to try the early 2 piece or the one piece ? I suspect the light surround for the 2 piece is easy to obtain , don't think they fell off

I presume the one piece can be used to replace the 2 piece

[mattylondon]

Instead of trying to draw it in 3d have you considered photogrammetry?

That's a good suggestion. I hear good things of Autodesk 123D. 123D catch is the photogrammetry app.

Or see if there's a company local to you who has a Faro hand scanner to make a point cloud.

[iGO]

Hi. This is my cheap option of fog light grills. Cost me £6 for mesh.
May be not the best option, but at least covers a bit that holes :)

https://s31.postimg.org/ugpog00h7/received_910255385750133.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/mb7mhuc87/)[/url]

https://s31.postimg.org/iqbqyi52z/received_910255419083463.jpg (https://postimage.org/index.php?lang=russian)[url=https://postimage.org/index.php?lang=russian]

[David's8]

iGo, you have done a neat job similar to something I tried to do a few years back. Yours looks a lot better than my attempt! +++

[iGO]

Cardboard tamplate first and after you cut form, fine adjustment with snips. Everything safely fixed with cable ties :)

[MikkiJayne]

Liking that +++ I've been contemplating something very similar so your results are pretty encouraging :)

[oldnick]

may not be OE but frankly looks A1 in my view

I have the 2 piece ones but can unclip the light surround

not clear to me how you have fixed them in with cable ties though !

[oldnick]

iGO ,how about a drawing to show how how you fixed with cable ties as can't see from your photo's !

[homer simpson]

There is currently a FL pair on ebay for £70 which is not bad considering the prices quoted on the OP

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A8-D2-FL-NS-OS-Front-Bumper-Fog-Light-Grills-Genuine-4D0853635B-4D0853636-/182226465487?hash=item2a6d8b32cf:g:sggAAOSw0fhXlRK x

[moltuae]

There is currently a FL pair on ebay for £70 which is not bad considering the prices quoted on the OP

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A8-D2-FL-NS-OS-Front-Bumper-Fog-Light-Grills-Genuine-4D0853635B-4D0853636-/182226465487?hash=item2a6d8b32cf:g:sggAAOSw0fhXlRK x

Tempted to buy those as spares. That is a good price.

I think any D2 '8 owners in the Rotherham area should go out and check to see if their grilles are missing :D

[HPsauce]

That's the starting price in an auction, not a BIN! :tuttut:
(someone knows what these are worth ;) )

[moltuae]

That's the starting price in an auction, not a BIN! :tuttut:


So it is! Don't know how I missed that.


Think I was too busy trying to work out what they were sat on in the photograph.

[homer simpson]

That's the starting price in an auction, not a BIN! :tuttut:
(someone knows what these are worth ;) )

I know but with 8 hours to go and a last second bid, someone may get a bargain :)

[Ameiseuk]

Bought a couple of bits off this guy for the project. Seems to be getting bits off a breaker and selling them on. Will do a deal, seem a decent guy but defo knows his d2 parts.
Had a nice pair of FE headlights listed but theyve gone in the last 24h

[Architex_mA8tey]

There is currently a FL pair on ebay for £70 which is not bad considering the prices quoted on the OP

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A8-D2-FL-NS-OS-Front-Bumper-Fog-Light-Grills-Genuine-4D0853635B-4D0853636-/182226465487?hash=item2a6d8b32cf:g:sggAAOSw0fhXlRK x

25 minutes to go and no bids if anyone is interested in some later one-piece D2 fog light grilles. +++

[homer simpson]

Someone bagged it with 7 seconds to go +++

[HPsauce]

So it would seem. :rolleyes:

[iGO]

may not be OE but frankly looks A1 in my view

I have the 2 piece ones but can unclip the light surround

not clear to me how you have fixed them in with cable ties though !

You may see cable ties on picture in circles. Planning to make some clips to hold the grills and to be easy removable
https://s13.postimg.org/opk07vlxj/Pics_Art_08_25_11_06_19.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/nn9tpc343/)

[oldnick]

You may see cable ties on picture in circles. Planning to make some clips to hold the grills and to be easy removable
https://s13.postimg.org/opk07vlxj/Pics_Art_08_25_11_06_19.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/nn9tpc343/)

thanks for that .....will have a close look and work out what you have fixed the ties onto

[Goran]

No one still bothered to cast these from resin and glass fibre?
Should be fairly straight forward. Maybe even some better room temperature plastics to use, like that polyurea stuff?

[barzya8]

Has anyone screwed these in place?
If so, can they post a photo of where and how they have put the self tapper screws :Confused:
Thanks
David

[MikkiJayne]

Yeah I have. I used the black pan-head torx screws that are used to hold the arch liners so they are almost invisible at a glance. I'll grab a pic this afternoon :)

[Ameiseuk]

A couple of pan head stainless steel self tappers hold on to mine

[MikkiJayne]

Mine is exactly the same but with black screws :)

[barzya8]

Thanks guys & girls +++

[HPsauce]

To save me crawling around and feeling the materials and behind, what's a good size and length to go through both layers and grip well without hitting anything it shouldn't?

[MikkiJayne]

10-15mm. There's plenty of space behind that surface. It only needs a small self-tapping screw - 4mm or so is fine.

[HPsauce]

Thanks. +++
The only suitable screws I have on hand are fairly short at 10mm thread so I'll give them a go first.

[HPsauce]

Job done, black 10mm screws both sides, nice and tight. :cool:

[Architex_mA8tey]

I think mine are drilled as per Oli18's original thread, and then cable tied with black cable ties, but I've also got the earlier 2 part grilles on each side so double the amount to fix *sigh*

[HPsauce]

I'm actually tempted to "double up" with screws bottom as well as top, or maybe outer as well as inner.

[27litres]

I'm actually tempted to "double up" with screws bottom as well as top, or maybe outer as well as inner.
There's a couple of tabs which lock into slots on the outer edge.
Provided they're home, there's little point in adding a screw on that side.
One screw is sufficient to hold the grille in place, you won't lose it!

If you're concerned about corrosion, use a stainless screw (or cable ties).

[HPsauce]

There's a couple of tabs which lock into slots on the outer edge.Only a single small one on my later one-part version and pretty insubstantial as well, really just to position it correctly against the bumper outboard of the foglight.
There's nowhere in that area suitable for a screw anyway, so I'll leave it alone.

[RS6]

I did mine today with black screw in each top corner, following HP's wise choice of location

Drivers one looks rock solid but passenger one had a bit of movement

Bit of piece of mind now +++