Is this the one, the 'ID. 2all'?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TaNKoYLGsQ

Why do they need another 'concept' (which is essentially an EV Polo) when they already have EVs on the forecourt? Feels like desperation using the concept term with it.

These are what I would consider 'concept' cars:

https://www.businessinsider.com/vw-g...4-11?r=US&IR=T

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/con...uture-motoring

Yes, that's the one, and I agree - they're confusing the word "concept" with "not ready to deliver".

VAG did the same prior to the arrival of the Model 3 with similar promises about various e-tron/Porsche "Tesla killers" (see most of Amar's posts from early in this thread), practically all of which didn't come to fruition in terms of price, performance or date delivered - although Tesla is also no saint on the last of those three promises :rolleyes:

It's a real shame that this car is only a concept and won't be ready for at probably at least 2 years, as they'll be behind the curve (again...) by then. It looks really good, and I'd be very, very impressed if they delivered that on time and at this price point, but we'll see.

Whilst I'm not a big fan of VAG any more, I'd hate to see them losing out to some Chinese manufacturer: my bet is that it'll be someone like Kia who steals their crown, as they seem to have been able to pivot to EV reality and have less legacy hang-ups.

Try doing this in an Audi...
 

...or any other car. Especially whilst driving :rolleyes:

Road trip on in Tesla, leaving 29/07/2023.
All free charging in Tesla SC's on the way, savings £350-400 compared to diesel each way. Trip destination 50kW, €0.20/min local charger 100 meters from mother In laws house.


http://forum.a8parts.co.uk/attachmen...1&d=1689426578

Nice, so mother-in-laws can have some uses……

Sounds like fun, and such a great thing to do in a Tesla. And so easy to drive on a road trip too, given the benefit of autopilot, auto route planning, Spotify, Netflix etc, etc: I'm aiming to do the same next month, but just to France, Netherlands and possibly Germany.

At current fuel prices, I estimate that I'd have saved approximately £55,000 on super unleaded fuel since I bought my Tesla and have used that car instead of my S8 for day to day travel.

Which is basically the difference between the cost of the car new, and what it's worth now - although it's got at least another 150k (if not double that...) miles of life left in it, so I have at least the same level of cost savings still to come in future.

Hope you enjoy the trip - would love to hear how you get on with this +++

Until your battery dies.
Had a Model 3... never again..

Really? Why never again? I'd love to hear your story...

I had numerous issues with the CC and autopilot literally trying to kill us.

Doing an emergency brake on the motorway at 70 mpg was not good and we had several instances whereby the vehicle tech is simply not good enough.

On top of this TESLA service has been outstandingly poor.

On another note.
Had to have 4x new tyres and at the time (covid) the only place I could get them was Tesla.

So paid the premium and had four new tyres.
On picking the vehicle up, they advised one wheel had been broken in the process and they would replace it. They replaced it with a used wheel.
when I challenged them, I was advised that under warrentee TESLA reserves the right to used used parts when they feel it is suitable.

Anyway, I have unfortunately more stories on how TESLA brand is quite nonsense.

However, I do understand the Model S early ones are much better and if you have one with free supercharging for life then as long as your battery holds up, you are in a good place.
As I say, for me, never again...
Best wishes

Wow! That doesn't sound like a happy experience, at all, either in terms of the car or service, which is a shame really. Almost the opposite from me, in all respects, and my (second...) battery is holding up just fine, which I'm expecting to continue. +++

Electric Cars - What They Really Mean for You
 

Worth a watch (part 1 of 2 on BBC 1 - the part 1 broadcast is just finishing now):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-electric-cars

The travel up to Berlin is a breathe, plenty of Tesla superchargers and facilities there if you want to eat or relive yourself. But most of toilets are paid access 1€. We did not have any change and ATM was out of order so had to rather embarrassingly limbo under hight restricted fee toilet for kids.

We almost missed ferry, we had 5:05 DFDS booked, arrived in port are 3:30, was put in staging lane and was there for 1h. Last check in was supposed to be 4:20 but we only got to check in at 5:04, 1 min before scheduled departure time. But still got on ship and there was plenty of card behind us. We boarded around 5:15 and it sailed 5:20

From the Calais it was smooth, we weere using Tesla's built in Nav and also running ABRP on the phone.

After the Berlin it got a bit more challenging, supercharger Poznan is in the old city, a bit hard to find and on restricted area. You have 30min free in there So had to pay 6PLN/£1.20 for parking. We had a room booked in Poznan but finding a place to park was a major challenge. Will not be staying there again. We skipped Warsaw supercharger as that was a bit off motorway route and we were worried it would be similar to Poznan. So we went straight to Bialystok, hard to find in the car park under shopping center, Tesla just takes you to car park entrance and no instructions on ho w to find charger. Had to search on Google and found details on plugshare. Then Kaunas in Lithuania

Well.
I see the D2 S8 as Concord for the road trip.

Have a think.
Anyone agree?

We are back home. Sorry, ended the previous post abruptly as started writing
while eating for other people, then stopped when they arrived. Will add a bit more detail and the return journey later.

Done almost 3.6k miles in 2 weeks and used a cool MWh of electricity. Or more like 3.2k miles in 4 days and the rest in remainder of 2 weeks Did not doo much driving while there. Spent €33 on charging while there including to power up for the 1st leg back to get to Kaunas supercharger

http://forum.a8parts.co.uk/attachmen...1&d=1691861198

Nice stats...
 

Sounds like a great trip +++, including covering 3000 miles for a total of £33 ;). They are such great road trip cars - I'm setting off on my trip later today, looking forward to it too :D.

MY #1 selling car in Europe in 2023 now, apparently...
 

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesm...months-of-2023 (@ £45-£60k) - and #2 was the Dacia Sandero (@ £13k) :ROFL:

I suspect
1 is due to BIK
2 value for money

I personally don't want either.

Is is still Tesla?
 

Eight years on, maybe Jim's question is the wrong one now? :rolleyes: This is worth a (15 minute) watch for those who are interested :https://youtu.be/VKvLM6MS6WI?si=RLZYOm3Fjc1TjnF9

Go and have a drive of a GYB...
You have your answer then.

However for a long range 'land yacht'.... S8 D2 every day...

Interesting article on CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/b...las/index.html
One quote is "Controlling speed is especially critical in low-speed environments, like parking garages, with other cars and concrete posts all around. With gas cars, starting off from a stop requires the engine to rev up a bit before the car can start moving. Not so with EVs, which respond differently to pedal pressure."

Now I've never driven an EV in such an environment, though "out and about" on test drives they seemed natural enough. What I am used to is carefully using the clutch or on an automatic creeping against the brake. Is there anything similar on any EV?

Incidentally I also find the "start-stop" functionality of modern petrol cars can be a nightmare when parking, so I invariably turn it off (fortunately I can easily) on my Volvo.

Our (recently purchased) Mercedes EQC400 (BEV) has 'creep'. So manoeuvring is exactly the same as in an automatic ICE vehicle.

Interesting what you say, Andrew, about start-stop being problematical while manoeuvring. We had start-stop in the VW Touareg, and I have it in the Audi S8, and I have not noticed an issue. I'm guessing that VAG cars must have a way of identifying such situations and automatically disabling it.

On my Tesla I can choose 'Creep' or 'Hold' mode. Start/stop on Q7 you can control with brake pedal. If you press fairly hard and hold when stopping it will stop engine, if you release brake pedal a bit as you come to stop and keep it pressed down just a little bit, just enough to keep the car stationary, then it will not stop engine.

Sounds like the manufacturers are getting these driveability issues sorted.
Interestingly last night I was given a lift by a friend in his EV runabout, a Cupra Born.

He said his wife won't drive it unless she absolutely has to as she doesn't feel enough in control.
They're both used to reasonably fast cars, hers is currently a MANUAL Audi S3.

Teslas are a bit different, and EV's in general, no gearbox, not automatic or manual. No revs. Not much noise.

Big screen in the tesla. Not many physical controls. Basic things like wipers, audio control, cruise, heating can be daunting when you first jump in.

It does take a little bit of getting used to, and probably doesn't lend itself to the short term rental car market where you just want to jump in and drive.

The throttle however, works just the same as any other car, its just way more torquey from the offset.

It concerns me if people find that uncontrollable, but if they're used a small fossil fuel engine and just stamping on the throttle everywhere they go then, yeah, its gonna cause issues.

It can simulate an Auto, but it feels very retro and pointless. The one pedal driving where you never need the brake is the way forward. Press down, you go, lift off a bit, it regen brakes, lift off completely and its going to bring you to a gentle halt.

That's how the 2nd gen Leaf is setup isn't it?

I find stop-start to be fine on our Mk7 Golf, BUT stop-start combined with hill hold assist is a complete pain in the arse. There is virtually no point to HHA on an auto, aside from the fact that you can take your foot off the brake pedal and not blind those sitting behind you with the high level brake light.

In our Golf with both HHA and stop-start active needs you to really understand how the systems are working together to use them without jolting progress. If you stop with both active, you need to give the throttle a gentle tap before you set off, to wake the engine up, then a 2nd gentle tap to release the brakes. Then it's fine. Try to do both together and it'll lurch forward with a jolt. If you really want to mess with your brain having ACC working as well can make it fairly nasty to use, if you're not understanding the interactions between the systems.

The only time I use HHA is if I'm stuck in a traffic jam on the motorway/a major A road, so it's off more than it's on. If I'm setting off on a very steep slope I'll put the parking brake on and rely on auto-release.

Cybertruck is touring the Europe. I am thinking abou going to Birmingham(Solihull) on Sunday to see it in person.

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/events/c...&lng=-0.600363

Any chance to get it to annual meet like we had Model S about 10 years ago? Probably not but one can dream:)

I read a complaint in The Register from a Toyota owner.
When he uses the system that reads road speed limit signs to control his car's speed. It sees a speed-limit sticker on the back of a truck, trailer etc and uses that at its speed limit :ROFL:
Not an issue on our Merc, nor did the VW ever misinterpret the back of trucks in this way.

That reminds me of the story I saw recently with the Waymo taxis, where someone could stop them whilst wearing a t-shirt with a stop sign printed on it:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/can-...-taxi-vehicle/

I'm doing the same Ainar, but next Tuesday in Manchester.

As far as getting it to the annual meet, that's one for this/next year's organisers ;) . It took a fair bit of persuasion to get both Audi and Tesla to pitch up at the Portmeirion meet, though I think it was worth it :D

I did not go after seeing video on YouTube when it was in London. It was cordoned off, could not get close, touch or get in it so decided not worth going.

+++ Most definitely +++