I've made her sticky....

oo-er.

Well I must be one of the 'Lucky Few' then because I have had my RNS-E/TV Tuner in for over 2 years now...thanks CraigyB! +++

A question though for you guys with TV Tuner - although mine works 100% when I scan the car I always get the following error;

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Address 57: TV Tuner Labels: None
Part No SW: 4D0 919 146 C HW: 4D0 919 146 C
Component: TV Tuner H02 0430
Revision: 01H02001 Serial number: 00000000003415
Coding: 0000030
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 295DB42DF992

1 Fault Found:
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded
000 - -

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Not sure if this is normal or not because as I say it works perfectly but it would be nice to find out exactly what the coding should be as it does not seem to be listed in the VCDS labels...

Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

odd that :Confused: Have you asked Craig?

Hi Clive,

That's far too easy! :D

Honest answer...no...not yet...even though I did spend half a day with Craig the week before last while he was doing a Concert to RNS-E conversion along with BT, iPod & cruise control in a friends A4.

I have even exchanged emails and had a quick chat on the 'phone about other stuff since...:rolleyes:

I wanted to see if I could resolve this myself without bothering him although I know he would help if I only asked.

I was hoping someone else in here with RNS-E in their S8 might know what their TV Tuner is coded for?

Plan B it is then...:ROFL:

Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

Awesome write up! Glad mine's had most of this done already, otherwise I don't think I'd be doing it :o

I gather my bluetooth module is up above the glovebox, so what I have in the boot is almost certainly the OE CD changer, TV module and old skool mobile module?

I tried the TV reception yesterday and it's pretty lousy - not helped by the fact we've got lots of digital services locally. I only pick up 3 analogue channels and reception on those is pretty poor. Given mine is a 2002, I'm assuming I have a Type B tuner and hopefully aerials capable of dealing with digital reception? Is there anyway to check for sure without major interior surgery?

Would the TV tuner have been replaced at the time of the RNS-E install, or can you plug the original RNS-D compatible TV tuner back in?

Million dollar question - how 'plug and play' should fitting a digital capable TV tuner with my current setup? What part number/version whatever of TV tuner do I need to search ebay for?

Many thanks in advance

Adrian

ok:

1) The RNS-D tuner wont work with the RNS-E, you need an RNS-E specific tuner.

2) If you already have an RNS-E, and it has the TV working to a fashion, then its a safe bet that the tuner was changed. This is a good thing, as its a very different wiring loom and would take some effort to run it to the back of the car.

3) The RNS-E digital hybrid tuner is a straight swop for the RNS-E analogue one, the cables are identical for the power/can etc, although the hoods around the aerial connections might be slightly different. The hoods come off though and the SMB's plug straight in. I change my D2 between digital and analogue tuners quite a few times

4) You would have had a type B tuner on a 2002 car, but I cant believe that it still working, so you must have something different in there now.

As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words, post up what you have and I'll try and help +++

Cheers Ian

I should have the car back from the bodyshop the end of the week, so I'll be able to grap a pic then and maybe find a part number. Don't have any of the boot area without the covers in place.

Sounds like mine's been changed, so that's a bonus, even if it is only analogue.

I have definitely seen attempts at picking up TV channels on the screen and the TV button on the RNS-E does generally bring up some fuzzy stuff and a channel number!

Adrian

It's only taken me 4 months, but finally dug out the part number for the TV tuner hooked up to my RNS-E - I've got a 4D0919146D which I'm assuming is analogue only, judging by the range of channels available to me?

If Ian or anyone else can advise of suitable part numbers for hybrid/digital TV tuners I'd be very grateful. I presume the part number changes depending on reception type?

I saw one on ebay advertised as 'MOST', but no idea what that means but have a feeling it related to later cars?

Cheers

Adrian

Adrian,

Hybrid TV tuner for RNS-E is 8J0 919 148 C.

Last letter changes with each year, which means 8J0 919 148 without "C" will work too.

If you upgrade from RNS-D your tuner side 54pin connector will match. You will need to buy two FAKRA housings to convert antennas from your old tuner to new hybrid one: 4E0 035 672 K. It will cost about 3 pounds ftom Audi.

You will need to modify RNS-E side connector ftom legacy RNS-D connector to RNS-E connector. See this thread: http://forum.a8parts.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2982

Oops, you already have RNS-E and RNS-E analog tuner. This should be plug and play with the part number I've provided.

i have a "square" RNS-C unit , will an RNS-E unit still fit ? ..... ive seen a bosch nissan connect unit thats identicle to an RNS-C is size and looks, would one of those fit ?

a8/s8
 

i was the unlucky/lucky man that bought your old project can you tell me a few things first cant get phone to connect to rnse cant get them to pair .im i doing something wrong? the car comes up with airbag fault the privios onwer said problem with front seats ? what is the switch next to the lpg gauge in the door panel? and what is the circle cover down at the drivers side piller i tried to contact the last owner but refuses to talk thanks

airbag fault
 

My brother in law had this car before.....the interior is absolutely awesome...full of gadgets....

In terms of the airbag light....get the car on vag com...and you ll immediately know where the fault is....then either get the offending part changed or bypass it using a resistor....

The other bits I m not sure on sorry....in terms of bluetooth...do you have other phones you could try....my brother in law had an iphone...seem to work fine....but i know from experience that my nokia would never pair up properly with a bmw i had before....so worth trying a different make of phone first....

If you need some VAGCOM help, I pass Broxburn fairly regularly, or you could take a quick drive to Blantyre and I could scan it for you.

Car was fine when I sold it, no airbag lights and phone connected every time. I can't remember how to connect it now, it took me about 10 secs when I collected the car though so isn't hard. Adrian E should be along soon, he knows how to do it.

Ah well, since you asked :)

Press the phone button on the rns-e

Make sure Bluetooth is on on your phone and it's set to discoverable if needed

Press setup on rns-e (must be set to phone 1st!)

Set a Bluetooth pin which can be whatever you want eg 1111, then your phone should pick up a device with Audi in the name

That should be job done :)

Mine came with an OBD II scan tool. Invaluable for re-setting airbag light, abs light and others. Not expensive. This site is USA but I'm sure you can get one nearer. http://www.diydiagnostics.com/ Worth every penny

Hi and welcome to the forum. We normaly like pics but in this case you don't need to as the 8 you have is known well.

But if you take a picture of what you're looking at i'm sure we could help or at least Amar anyway.

If you plug it in to vag com it'll soon tell you if it is the seat air bag. There is a uk company called gendan see http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_VAGUSB.html can have you plugged in for 20 notes

a8/s8
 

sorry i thought no one replay me still trying to find out were to post qustions etc.got phone working thanks

broxburn
 

thats great if you are passing lets us now or i can come to you in the new year thanks

phone
 

got phone working great does it upload your phone contacts to it menu ?? thanks

photos
 

sorry im going to take pics on friday as i told ian car was negllitcted i need it sorted it will take some time but i want the restore it again just the way it was when ian first done it

I'll probably not be passing that way until w/c 9th, so let me know if you'll be over this way for me to give it a once over.

I've sent you a PM, but please elaborate on how you feel the car has been 'neglected' as I don't want it to reflect badly on me when I've only let the very best specialists and genuine parts near that car. The only thing that happened once it left Ian's hands was improve, 4x Michelin pilot sport tyres (the most expensive available - not some budgets) it was detailed and the final S8 bits added. Ben changed the cambelt/watrerpump/thermo and did a service and full health check and it was sold straight after, iirc all it needed was brakes which I made the new owner fully aware of.

How can it Amar? Between you and the current owner, the car had another owner. A lot can happen in the short space of a few months mate.

Back squarely onto the original topic of this thread..........
I think I can answer those 2 questions, in reverse order:

2. They are WICLIC connectors

1. I think the diversity unit is PURELY for radio diversity.
There are several versions of 4D0 035 530 from the original with no suffix and then from A to F (at least). They are for use with different combination aerials covering a mix of radio (always?), GPS and TV.
I think the basic function of ALL versions is to choose the best aerial for radio reception and feed that to the radio lead.
If TV is involved the 4 TV aerials are effectively in "pass-through" mode, including quite likely phantom power to the aerials (and to run the unit) and TV diversity is handled in the TV tuner - that's why the TV variants have 4 in and 4 out (plus radio/GPS).

So in the installation above I suspect that just reterminating the cables at the TV tuner would have sufficed - WICLIC to SMB adapters don't seem to exist. :ROFL:

The only slight doubt I have on this is that the later model of diversity unit has a separate power supply so the later TV tuner may not provide the required phantom power feed up the aerial cable; easily tested though. ;)

Hi.

Sorry for bringing this topic back to life, but every now and then someone will follow this writeup.

So, I have installed an RNS-E in an European (German import, now lives among polar bears) D2 from 1999/2000, but canbus isn't working with RNS-E. VCDS tells me from the instrument side that there is a one wire operation. The navi/radio tells me that canbus isn't working at all.

I did tap into the green connector behind the instruments, low can on pin 21 (orange/brown) and 22 high can (orange/violet). Connected to RNS-E pin 9 (H) and 10(L) on power connector D.

Originally there is a RNS-D installed, which is working as it should.
Also, I cannot find any TMC module behind the instrument panel, only a "Telephone Module" 4D0919895c, with no antenna connections, nor any can-bus connections to or from. So where my TMC is located then, I dont know. I just cut the orange wires from pin 21 and 22, so the only thing connected was the RNS-E, but still no canbus connection between them.

Anyone having any ideas that might help? The RNS-E is working as it should in an A6 with RNS-E already installed.

>> I cannot find any TMC module behind the instrument panel,
>> only a "Telephone Module" 4D0919895c, with no antenna connections,
>> nor any can-bus connections to or from

The module 4D0919895C **is** the TMC module according to ETKA.
Why do you think it is a "Telephone Module"? I'm surprised it wasn't connected to anything as your existing RNS-D worn't work properly without it.

What other devices you have had on infotainment CAN other than RNS-D? If you connected RNS-E directly to instrument cluster pins with your own twisted pair you effectively bypassed all other infotainment CAN devices, leaving them disconnected from infotainment CAN.


Edit:

Oh now I see why you call it Telephone Module -- because of the sticker.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audi-A8-4D-T...-/400460277578

I still claim this it TMC module regardless of sticker... :) +++

If you internet search for that vag-number, you'll find on some ebay lists, pictures of this unit. It has no aerial inputs/outputs. When I try to ohm out pin 21 and 22 from green connector, or from RNS-D canbus 13 and 26, none of these are connected to this Telephone Module. The reason I think it is a Telephone Module, well, it says Telephone Module on a label on this thing :p
Also the 12 pin connector to this thing is all wired up. Means, it goes 12 wires to/from this thing.

Anyway, I have bypassed all other devices on the infotainment CAN, yes, as you mentioned, leaving only the RNS-E connected. Still no luck.
When connected to RNS-D, just all the original equipment like CDC, and a Version A tuner, but the tuner, of course is not connected to RNS-E, just wont fit :p but it might still be powered? Would this mess things up? Tuner should be connected to RNS-D can, not infotainment can, or does it have can at all? Im thinking out loud here, hence all the question marks.

Edit: Ok, from the sticker, hehe, yes. This one you linked to, doesn't have any antenna connections...

There are several versions of this module,

I guess the one with Telefon written on the side simply handled the phone to instrument cluster comms if the the car was original sold with a phone but no navigation system.

Well, it might just handle the phone. Maybe I have another TMC for the RNS-D somewhere else in the car..?! This car is delivered with the navi, tv and bose options, so I dont think it is installed later, all the wiring looks original.
Nokia Phone is installed in the arm rest, and a blue Nokia box in the trunk.

How old is the car, later versions of the RNS-D had TMC built into the main unit so did not require the external module.

It is a pre-2000 model, made late 1999.

I would then suggest to open ELSA and to check wiring for this particular early facelift model and compare with normal facelift models. It may be that early FLs have had no CAN bus the way we know it and should be treated as pre-FL cars. I personally have no experience with pre-FL cars, but I seen people had some success installing RND-E to pre-FL cars with some CAN bus emulation modules...

Elsa or Bentley doesn't give me any useful information about the wiring. After searching some German forums I found some indications that the TMC might be located in the trunk like on the A4's. Maybe it is located in the trunk on my car, since I have this phone black box thing behind my instrument panel..

How does RNS-D/TMC talk to the color-DIS when no infotainment can is present? I know this is an RNS-D DX with turn-by-turn in DIS.

Have you read this thread from the start? :Confused:
As IT said in THE VERY FIRST POST:

Yes, I know you loose turn-by-turn in DIS with RNS-E, but my question was about how the RNS-D with no can bus communicated with the DIS, and now I know it doesnt. So called non DX version which doesnt have TMC, DX versions require TMC, and they use can bus.
Also Xenon cars have can bus, and mine is a Xenon equipped car.

That means I have can bus, but I cant get it to talk to my RNS-E, even when the only thing connected to the instrument cluster on the green connector, pin 21 and 22 is the RNS-E.
RNS-E recoded, and VCDS tells me there is no can bus connection.

I have to wire it all up again, to see if there is about 60 ohms between can l and can h, as it should.


Still cant find my TMC module :p

You might need to recode the instrument cluster, I did. Hang on and I'll dig out the info.

I have 3 separate can buses that are all connected to instrument cluster: the drivetrain can bus for engine, abs, gearbox etc., the we have the confort can bus for things like parktronic, xenon, etc. and then we have just another can bus for toys called infortinment, for rns-d, MFSW, TV tuner, etc.

Are you sure your car has got all 3 can buses?

When I did the RNS-D into the D2, I had to recode the cluster to get it to understand the different CAN, see my post here. Worth checking since the RNS-E needs the same protocol.

http://forum.a8parts.co.uk/showpost....6&postcount=23

VCDS - Controller 17, instruments, Adaption 10. Channel 62, previously set to 4, now set to 5 as per a post I found elsewhere on the internet.