don't look at cars advertised with dealers then

Whether you like it or not, they are a 'for-profit' business, with staff and overheads to pay. I suspect you have no idea how much it costs to run even a small business, these guys pay £1000s in advertising costs alone and they also need to allow for repairs/warranty work.

Nobody here works for Oscar, but he is generally well regarded as only usually stocking the best 8s.

What is your budget and what does your CAP RETAIL pricing say you should get for your money?

16k cash

i offer inbetween trade and retail, usually 2k above trade

what would you say this is worth then , considerig it is being sold by a sytner supermarket , 3 month warranty . 3mm tyres etc.
19k is audi dealer prices to me.
http://www.sytnerselect.co.uk/Used-C...DI&COGModel=A8

Another thing - this "rip-off thief", as you describe him, according to you, paid £2k more for that car than you were prepared to pay.

So, if he is a rip-off thief, what does that make you?

Just saying... :argue:

did he though ? only going by the private seller`s word for it.
i offer what it is worth to me , goldman bought it to make a profit on , he obviously knows what he can get for it. which is more than i estimated it at.
had it been a genuine sport i would have bought it there and then.

1. Cash means the dealer has less margin as they'll earn nothing from any finance arranged - cash making you somehow a more attractive buyer is a total myth and could not be further from the truth.

2. Don't expect any dealer worth their salt to sell to you at much below retail value, you're just wasting your time and theirs.

3. It looks like a 20k motor to me. If you think you can buy that car from an Audi dealer for that price, then go ahead and find one. I won't hold my breath waiting for that one! Here's the link to Audi AUC, see if you can find one

http://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/used-car-locator.html

4. They may advertise with a 3 month warranty, but all cars bought retail are subject to a 6-month guarantee - OFT has stated that all faults emerging in first six months after purchase are presumed to have been present at time of sale. Burden of proof is with the dealer to prove fault not present at time of sale.

See page 28:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/rep...08/oft1241.pdf

This is another reason dealers' margins have needed to increase in recent years, and why you're far less likely to get a big discount than in years past.

Now, the problem with this law is that you can take the dealer to court, get awarded judgement etc, but you can't actually force the dealer to cough up. However, the likes of Oscar Goldman and Sytner are not back street dealers and are far more likely to treat you fairly as any negative publicity would have a far greater affect on them.

Why would the seller lie about it, he/she has sold it, what's to gain by lying?

Agreed, he has a reputation for quality "at a price". Nothing secretive about that.

If you want a good car and haven't the time to shop around or wait (but do have the money), then you're his sort of customer and vice-versa. +++

But if you want a good car at a bargain price and are prepared to invest your own time & effort and wait until the right car shows up, he's not for you. :tuttut:

You really don't have a clue do you? It's why you're struggling to find an A8 and whinging about it on here.

Go buy a Mondeo then, if it's the same. :rolleyes:

Can I ask EVERYONE to retain some decorum and manners please
we can all disagree with each other but can we please do it politely
Thanks +++

what are you talking about ? it`s a bloody car same as a mondeo is a car.

are you one of those people who has some high esteem of themselves because they drive an audi ? "wow big deal" 10 a penny on the streets of surrey.

i want to buy an a8 because i like the build and gizmos etc. i am under no other illusions.

i bet your local dealer gets really excited when you walk through the door hey ?:ROFL: , are you an apple fan by any chance ?