W12 Black Sport for sale
 

im looking for a quick sale on this as im going for a LWB facelift fsi 4.2 reason being is that its better for business to have the lwb model and i have found one that is a good price and good miles ect .. just been fully serviced too

S8 dash
tinted windows ect
FE 20" wheels not rs6 wheels anymore
Digi TV
Tv in motion
Taxed and mot'd
will keep reg S300 Guy

any offers £9.000 ono ?

need a quick sale so i can get the new one and lpg it

many thanks
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im sure you can see its been used for weddings and chauffeur work

www.guydaviestransport.co.uk


i will miss it very much but this is a business choice other wise i would keep it
would also do a swap maybe if you have a LWB with cash my way what have you got ???

Guy, I maybe jumping to conclusions, but if you're considering buying the car listed on eBay item number 150939534455 and the registration number happens to be YB08 DXA, please take double, no quadruple, care.

Guy,

Long time no speak, I must pull my finger out and call you.

Have you researched and found an installer for the FSI engine ?, from what I understand there aren't too many options for an engine of this type due to the cooling requirements of the injectors as they sit in the combution chamber

I'm curious now, probably like most here.

Why is this one to 'check' or can't you divulge ?

If you have not researched yet then do research for LPGing FSI. It will be more complicated and costly then regular LPG. It replaces fuel injectors and uses liquid gas injection directly in combustion chamber. So you also loose possibiulity to drive on petrol if you run out of LPG. Might be worth considering diesel.

You can't reliably LPG an FSi car mate...

Damn that is a fackin good price for a W12. I've just brought another A8 D3 today.

Guy, I admire your dedication and for wanting to stay in a petrol powered car. However, I would have thought a 3.0 TDI quattro would suit your chauffeuring business better. Just my 0.02.

Still got my D3 4.2 on LPG with Radar cruise etc etc..... Cheaper to run than a 3.0 Tdi and sounds way better...

Easier to facelift this frontend than LPG an FSI... ;)

Thanks every one for your input,

i have reserched FSI LPG and a company i spoke to said they can do a full convertion and it runs 80% lpg and 20% petrol its a blend rather than fully one or the other the reason for this is to stop the injectors over heating but it still provides a good return in savings.

TDI Amar im affrade the real world mpg of the 3.0L quattro is around top of 38-45 mpg
and a 4.2 on lpg will bring back in savings around 42 mpg i much prefer the smoothness of the 4.2 petrol the 3.0L tdi is not all that quiet especially if doing city driving at low speeds ...on the motorway its fine but when most of my work is at low speeds people really do comment on how quiet the W12 is and id like to keep to the same standards of service

mpg i can live with anything from 35 onwards +++ after all what do we expect from a large barge like the 8.

IT ? is that the duck egg blue ish one that we spoke about a while back ?

oh also the car must be BLACK

Sutherland ... thanks you for pointing that out i will stay clear of that, but its not the car im looking at. im looking at a LWB Black 4.2 at the moment and trying to contact the seller to arrange a viewing

i would px this car no problem for the right one. Black LWB Petrol

Mr Godfrey how the devil are you i have tryed to contact you a couple of times ....
can i have your 2p worth from your experience on lpg with the d3 you and your father in law ?

what do you get mpg wise in terms of savings over all ?


thanks every one +++

Duck Egg blue lol ?... +++ - Crystal Blue, yes. And if you only want black then its very much a non starter. Wheels I can change. Front end can be changed. Wrapping it black seems like an overhead :D

With a non FSI 4.2 engine running 100% LPG most of the time I see an average on my DIS of around 23 / 24. Factor in the cost of gas being virtually 50% the cost of unleaded in most cases and you're above 45 MPG equivalent.

I've no experience of how well or badly the FSI's convert to gas, but the significant lack of any for sale second hand must speak volumes I guess. I have a search on Ebay for anything Vw/Audi thats gas converted and I cant recall ever seeing anything FSI on there come to think about it.

I agree about the 3.0d. Mine was a lovely example, but there was no getting away from that awful noise from under the hood.

If you love black, the W12 and everything about it - Why the heck not just get that one converted... :Confused: It'll scrape 35 MPG+ equivalent surely.

That's what I had read, the FSI required a blend of gas and petrol to run properly

Great thanks - work is mad at the mo, not had any message will call you this week for a catch up

Father in laws car has been great since the conversion, he's had no niggles other than the wiring fault on installation - fixed by the installer. His car has the later STAG system that monitors the lambda sensors and constantly adjusts. He's chuffed to bits with it.

You'll probably remember I was having lots of issues with mine, it was an early STAG 300 system and I eventually found out the Valtek injectors were worn out. Since replaced with OMVL injectors and not a problem since.

My 'real world' tank to tank mpg over 40k comes out at just under 19 mpg, that's with a good mix of local and motorway driving (the car has now done nearly 50k since the LPG was installed).

Going on LPG being just over half the price of diesel (I use diesel for my comparison as I have had big engined diesels in the past and use that as my reference 'cause I can relate to that better) I'm looking at a real world equivalent of 36-40 mpg.

Don't believe the DIS mpg as it is based on calculations from requested petrol injector pulses. You are 'multiplying' gas into the engine over and above that to make up for the calorific drop in LPG so only use tank to tank calculations.

That being said I have seen a motorway only tank give me 25mpg at around 75-80 !

With a 95l toroidal tank and I have a range of around 360 miles, I don't use the LED gas gauge as they are often calibrated incorrectly. I just reset the trip when I fill up and when I have around 300 miles on the tank I start looking to fill up.

LPG is getting more plentiful with ASDA and Morrisons offering it in places and I have an account with Countrywide (mainly in south west locations from Birmingham down.

Also the petrol 4.2 is significanlty less complex than a derv engined car and parts are more realistically priced

Do you have more details about the system they are offering?

If it runs on the mix of fuel it sounds like it is using original petrol injectors and additional LPG injectors using gasseous LPG. From what I have heard the correct way is to replace fuel injectors with LPG injectors injecting liquid LPG under high pressure directly in combustion chamber. This however means that you cannot use fuel if you run out of LPG and have nowhere to fill up because you no longer have injectors for petrol.

i didnt go in depth i just asked if it could be done and they said yes but they use a mixture

im guessing the injectors run 20% and then the would drill into the intake manifold the same as a non FSI and use the two systems together running 80% lpg through the intake manifold and the 20% directly injected as petrol for cooling and lubrication ......

if i LPG My W12 i would more than likely get about 35 mpg i guess ... its just the thought of it going wrong and having the new £23000 engine go bang .. i dont have a spare in the wheel well at the moment so if i had a tank in there that would not bother me at all it would be fine ... W12 is a complex beast but also very refined and smooth ive priced up a convertion and it was close to 3k fully converted...

could always do that i guess .....

Hi There,

I saw an A8 W12 converted to LPG by my friend James ( http://www.thelpgcentre.co.uk/ ) Certainly possible. Give him a call if you are looking at it and he may be able to point you in the right direction even if you don't use him, though he is a good guy.

Lee

James is very up on the LPG system on the W12 :) I spoke to him in great depth and he was very knowledgeable.

Also there is a company in Derby who use BRC.

Thats funny thats where i had my quote from +++

they seem very good and i will use them if i do it :D

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