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Here's an interesting video for comparison (NOTE THAT THE TITLE IS INCORRECT AND IT'S AN A4) - the one above is into a solid concrete block (notice how little intrusion there is into the passenger compartment)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZAzVSxabU This one is into an offset deformable barrier (honeycomb of aluminium which represents the stiffness of a 'real car' of similar design) which can be seen post-impact at about 2.5 mins in. What you do not want to see is the deformation of the A pillar you see in this video - that's a structural integrity failure, which means the energy is no longer being managed by the crash structures.
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That is the problem with EuroNCAP tests, driving into an immovable concrete block doesn't really provide any indication of how the vehicle will fare in a head-on collision, except, as you say, with a vehicle of identical weight. I don't have the statistics, but I would image a lot of the more severe or fatal accidents are head-on. Motorway design is such that it's quite difficult to hit something as immovable as a bridge or concrete block at high speed; side-on collisions with barriers or traffic going in the same direction are more likely. By contrast, on A roads that have no central barrier, 2 vehicles travelling in opposite directions at just 50mph will have a combined impact speed of 100mph. This of course isn't equivalent to hitting an immovable object at 100mph (rather, hitting a stationary vehicle at 100mph), but the forces worsen greatly for the lighter of the two vehicles. Also, as I said earlier, there's the matter of being in control of ones own destiny. If I'm a good driver I can most likely avoid a lot of EuroNCAP type accidents. The same can't be said for potentially fatal head-on collisions, for which you may get little time to react. Of course by reasoning that bigger/heavier is better, I should ideally drive a tank or a truck, but of course there's a practicality compromise to make. For me an 8 is a very good compromise, especially considering the vehicle I'm more likely to meet head-on around a blind-bend is probably going to be a small one, driven by an inexperienced, over-enthusiastic driver. Vehicles larger/heavier than my 8 are probably not just less likely to be on the wrong side of the road but also likely to be taller (and therefore visible sooner) and travelling more slowly. In which case, the fact that the 8 is still light enough to be fast and agile, would hopefully help to get me out of trouble.
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Any of the impact types we talk about involving motorways are likely to be so severe as to be unlikely to be survivable, whether it's hitting a heavy object or being struck head on, just due to the speeds involved before deceleration commences.
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It would also be interesting to see statistics of real collisions in EuroNCAP tested vehicles to see whether the injuries and fatalities data aligns with the test results. My guess is there will be a loose correlation at best.
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Given it is a continuous pour any impact is likely to be a "glancing blow" and a "head on" should be nigh on impossible? Add in the advances in car safety (i.e. crumple zones) and I think it makes a lot of sense - but suspect it is all a balancing act |
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I know that the rope barriers, despite their flimsy appearance, tend to perform much better than the conventional steel barriers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rzbsuEfVY
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