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[YorkshireBloke]

Hi,

Agreeing with an Ausie is hard on principle but yes, too right mate!

I have seen Cinema, vinyl records, marriage and school exams revived and re-worked, my brass is NOT in electric only vehicles.

Robert "Luddite"

[27litres]

There's a lot of logistical issues with electric cars too.
For example, English cities are full of terraced houses with no off-street parking. Cars are never parked in the same place one day to another. How are those car owners going to charge their cars?
It's not an insurmountable problem, but who's going to install the infrastructure? Who's going to repair it when it inevitably breaks or gets vandalised? Who's going to pay for the power?
Or are they banking on some breakthrough to solve these problems? Or pass it onto the private sector as normal...


As for the future of oil, have a watch of this video:
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[tintin]

Originally Posted by 27litres

There's a lot of logistical issues with electric cars too.
For example, English cities are full of terraced houses with no off-street parking. Cars are never parked in the same place one day to another. How are those car owners going to charge their cars?
It's not an insurmountable problem, but who's going to install the infrastructure?

That's easy:already solved - EVs charge via sockets built into lamp posts - several of my London-based Tesla buddies do this on a daily basis: providers exist, and it's just like signing up for any other utility. Sure beats having to move your car to drive to a petrol station and then come back and find your parking space has been taken. Especially in bad weather

Next question?

[pete-p]

That depends on having enough street lights on the street and then being able to park near it! On my street there are about three street lights and 15 houses, each with about 2 cars at least. Some can clearly charge at home, but then will they able to boil the kettle at the same time...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...fuse-national/

There are a lot of things which need to be in place in the next 20 years, I'm sure it's possible as technology improves but only time will tell.

[HPsauce]

We have very few street lights on our road, though there is one exactly at the entrance to my drive.
Even more conveniently, because it's on a corner, the only place you can park to use it is on my drive. Somehow I don't think that one will ever get converted for charging, unless they all are.....

[tintin]

Originally Posted by pete-p

That depends on having enough street lights on the street and then being able to park near it! On my street there are about three street lights and 15 houses, each with about 2 cars at least. Some can clearly charge at home, but then will they able to boil the kettle at the same time...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...fuse-national/

There are a lot of things which need to be in place in the next 20 years, I'm sure it's possible as technology improves but only time will tell.

That's a bit like saying there should be petrol pump for every car.. The whole point about electricity is that it's everywhere. Think of it as bit like wifi: I carry around my mobile phone and use that hotspot for connectivity, but only rarely, as there are so many other (free!) places to get online. It's the same if you have an EV, and there are already plenty of charge locations of all types, so there's really no issue with charge availability.

And that telegraph article is patently bull**** - it's been roundly dismissed elsewhere, and it's just typically of the lazy journalism these days (and copy and pasting... ) that no-one bothers to check this sort of rubbish anymore. Fake News!

[HPsauce]

Originally Posted by tintin

That's a bit like saying there should be petrol pump for every car..

Well no, because there is the significant issue of refuelling time in relation to travel/useage time.
Until that is solved (e.g. by battery swapping?) the infrastructure, logistics, arithmetic etc. of EV's will be fundamentally different to petrol.

Probably out of date now, but this gives an idea:
"If a Supercharger station is out of reach, most public charging stations can recharge the Model S at the rate of 22 miles of range per hour"
In a petrol station that would be just a few seconds for most cars.
So you potentially need EVs connected to their refuelling devices for several hundreds times more than the hydrocarbon equivalent.

[tintin]

Originally Posted by HPsauce

Well no, because there is the significant issue of refuelling time in relation to travel/useage time.

That's not an issue at all, because driver/owner behaviour changes in an EV - because electricity is everywhere, EV drivers tend to charge when they're parked, not when they're empty - so the comparison with a petrol pump for every car is valid - but I knew I'd get that reaction

[pete-p]

Originally Posted by tintin

That's a bit like saying there should be petrol pump for every car.. The whole point about electricity is that it's everywhere. Think of it as bit like wifi: I carry around my mobile phone and use that hotspot for connectivity, but only rarely, as there are so many other (free!) places to get online. It's the same if you have an EV, and there are already plenty of charge locations of all types, so there's really no issue with charge availability.

And that telegraph article is patently bull**** - it's been roundly dismissed elsewhere, and it's just typically of the lazy journalism these days (and copy and pasting... ) that no-one bothers to check this sort of rubbish anymore. Fake News!

The point I was trying to make about needing enough charging points is that a lot of electric cars don't have brilliant range, so most people would probably want to charge up when they get home from work, a little like charging a mobile phone each night. I suspect in reality there would be options to charge during the day at work, but I can just see a future where people will be arguing over who is using the charge point and maybe even people unplugging others to charge their own (not sure how possible that is as I've never used one).

I linked the Telegraph article but had also read it on the BBC, possibly still a copy and paste of out-dated and incorrect news, who knows what to believe these days anyway!

I'm not against electric cars, I actually like the sounds of the motor as it builds up speed in the same way I like the sound of a V8 but I wonder if it's the best way forward. Maybe it is...

[Lee S]

Surely the Hydrogen Cell will be the death knell for ICE and also alleviate some of the charging issues?

http://www.nextgreencar.com/fuelcellcars/