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one word....Hydrogen
Lithium Ion is the current 'buzz word' in battery technology....everyone has jumped on the band wagon however it is as much of a 'dirty fuel' as diesel. There is simply not enough infrastructure to charge EV's in this country. Remember CNG? It was 'The fuel of the future'....for a while If the production cost of hydrogen can be brought down to manageable levels then it becomes a mainstream player.
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I tend to lean towards the hydrogen or synthetic petrol (or similar) camp in the long run.
I just don't see batteries as anything other than an interim solution due to the low energy density, charging issues and the rarity/difficulty of the materials involved. Though the use of hybrids with small batteries for short-term power boosts will become pretty commonplace.
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions and extended leather. Ski hatch retrofit. Aftermarket reversing camera. DVB-T and XCarlink now removed as redundant. 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (Even rarer than a D2 S8!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. Agate Grey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, Tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later) 1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon. Added Auto-dim mirror, Leather seats, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850! |
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Hydrogen. The word 'if' says it all. Electric cars are here, actual working useable and purchasable electric cars.
For the future, Hydrogen has plenty going for it, but for now electric cars are here, on people drives, using our roads. I won't be holding back waiting for that 'if' to come good. Nor, I suspect, will the vast majority of people.
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Compare that with electricity, where there's little comparable "cost of conversion", and where the supply chain is either: (a) universal and already in place (in the case of developed economies) or (b) able to be quickly created in a shorter, less wasteful end-to-end supply design (in the case of emerging economies). Both electric and hydrogen are both infinitely better than burning dead dinosaurs, but of the two, I prefer electric
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Though in many less-developed economies electricity is produced locally from fossil fuels driving small generators.
I see an irony there of a farmer in rural somewhere (anywhere) recharging his Tesla from a diesel generator. Hydrogen is probably more restricted in geographical coverage than electricity due to the supply chain problems, though will undoubtedly have its place. Synthetic (liquid) fuels that are high-energy but relatively non-polluting are my long-term bet but I won't be here to see that.
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions and extended leather. Ski hatch retrofit. Aftermarket reversing camera. DVB-T and XCarlink now removed as redundant. 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (Even rarer than a D2 S8!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. Agate Grey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, Tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later) 1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon. Added Auto-dim mirror, Leather seats, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850! |
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well ive tried to buy at least 6 £25,000 - £30,000 Diesel Audi,s this year
making offers, and all sold well above retail as prices rocketed after 1st lockdown, so i gave up for now.. but im watching the market and all the nice cars sell within a week 2 cars sold in 1 day , and 1 of them went on the market for £5000 more and sold (audi derv again) All Diesel folk will go mad for new Diesel cars in the last year of manufacture
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The same leap in demand that you have seen for diesel applies also to petrol. It's just a result of the distortions that Covid has applied to the used car market this past few months.
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For those interested...
Here's a couple of links that show what's already live in terms of Net Zero Fuel for electric vehicles (and not Tesla related ) - which aptly demonstrates the "short supply chain" capability which electricity has over fossil fuels or hydrogen.
(1) Gridserve announcement of their Braintree electric service station, now open: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...opens-in-essex (2) Gridserve CEO explaining how they're doing this, why this is 100% green energy, and what they're planning on building out in the UK: https://youtu.be/xUmE_beDk2Q And - in the interests of balance - some stuff about synthetic fuel: https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/in...nt-only-option
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Autos Autos everywhere... (1) 2015 Tesla Model S: (was 85D, now 90D ). Silent and deadly, and very fast... But not as fast as Ian's M3P- (2) 2002 D2 S8 Final Edition: Bulletproof and faultless: Brilliant Black with Extended (Red!) Leather. Three-times winner of Best D2 1st prize (3) 1997 Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo: Scots (! ) Green. Fragile, but beautiful. (4) 2010 Fiat Panda 100HP. White Pandamonium (Final Edition!!). Pure old-fashioned 6-speed go-karting. |
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Mains electricity is a costly 'fuel' to make, and equally as dangerous as Hydrogen....Chernobyl? Three Mile Island?
I'm currently involved in the project of ripping out a 'brand new' dual fuel coal/oil fired power station which is be replaced by a 'cleaner' natural gas powered station. The station was due to closed completely this year and dismantled....then the boffins realised that they won't have enough generating capacity if people start buying EV's and want to charge them during the ad break in Corrie. £200m to 're-purpose' an existing power station......thats's on heck of a payback at 19p/kwh out of a plug. ....and where is the dirty polluting coal fired station going to?.....not the scrap yard.....Africa Local farmers there will be charging their Teslas there for years off squished dinosaurs
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Daily drive: 2016 Infiniti QX70.....a car that's even more complicated than my last Infiniti FX to modify Current 'Project': VW Crafter CR50 4 berth camper van Previous 'Projects': 2006 Subaru Legacy Spec 'B' 3.0R, 1994 Ex-MOD Land Rover Defender, now "civilianised". 2000 Audi S8 FL www.whall.co.uk |
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