Installing nav plus/tv in audi 100

[theschmallfella]

Hi all,

Sorry if this is in the wrong thread. I don't own an A8 but I do have a related question. I have a 1991 Audi 100 which I'm planning on doing some modifying on. I've recently bought a Nav Plus (RNS-D) unit from an A8 and I want to install it in my 100. Along with the nav I've bought the analog diversity tv unit (4D0 919 146) from an A8, plus the digital upgrade box (4F0 919 142 A) so I can make it work, nav aerial and a complete Bose wiring loom and speakers from an 8. I've seen pictures on the web of the nav plus installed in Audi V8's of this vinatge so I know it can be done.

I've already worked out how it will be connected to the 100's original wiring, and bearing in mind this car is non can-bus so there will be a bit of poking around to be done for the sat nav to operate correctly, my questions are;

What cable will I need to connect the head unit to the analogue tv unit?
What cable will I need to connect the analogue unit to the digital one?
What aerial will I need to get the tv to work correctly?
Is there any can bus related issues I can expect from a non can bus car?

I am also toying with the idea of installing the bluetooth car phone from the D3, and again if there is any advice or installation instructions available on the forum regarding installing this to the Nav Plus system I'd be grateful.

Any and all help would be brilliant guys, I'm starting this project soon so I'd like to know what I need to order to get it all working.

[theschmallfella]

No one? That's disappointing...

[sarg]

You'll be needing some more....




patience

Your post is only a few hours old, it's a Friday, it's the summer holidays, we are but a small group.

If anyone can help, they'll be along shortly

[mannyo]

Were you not able to retrieve any of the wiring loom, it'll make things a whole lot easier. Getting the RNS-D up and running will be a piece of cake, but connecting the tuners without the original wiring is going to be a ballache. The Bose amp is a whole different ball game, we don't even bother retrofitting that into an A8 without it, its just too difficult, never mind trying to retrofit to a totally different model Audi. For the Bose you'll not find any wiring diagrams, and without at least the connectors will be a non starter. With the connectors its going to be trial and error to work out what does what.

[IT]

RNS-D is canbus, but not Audi Canbus to make life more interesting.

RNS-C looks very similar, but was pre canbus and might work better.

I'd expect issues such as power not coming on/off with ignition, lighting etc not to work. Otherwise, it will operated fairly well as long as you supply it with power, ground etc.

I dont believe there was ever an OEM method for getting digital on the RND-D. There was a box for the RNS-E, but I dont beleive it is compatible (different canbus' wont help)

speak to a8parts, the sponsors of this forum. They may be able to supply the wiring from the headunit to the TV tuner. There were 2 types of tuner with very different connectors. without this, its going to be a faff to wire up.

Only kufatec have ever shown a product that can get digital TV on an RNS-D to my knowledge, so I cant help with any cable thats gonna connect all those bits together for you.

Aerials again will depend on the type of TV tuner you've got. But at this point I'm not convinced its compatible with your head unit anyway....

Everything on the D3 is tightly canbus integrated. You're either highly gifted and like a challenge, or have no idea what can of worms you're opening here.

If it were me, I'd junk eveything you bought and run with an RNS-E and stock digital tuner instead. The bluetooth module on that is very good and all will stitch together nicely...

[HPsauce]

Originally Posted by IT

I dont believe there was ever an OEM method for getting digital on the RNS-D.
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.Only kufatec have ever shown a product that can get digital TV on an RNS-D to my knowledge

Having looked at this in some detail, i.e. adding digital TV to my RNS-D I can confirm the first part of that. You'll have to go aftermarket.

The OEM analogue tuner "could" be used as an input route for signals from an aftermarket digital tuner (via the Aux inputs) OR you can buy an interface box that plugs into the DIN-style socket on the back of the RNS-D and takes normal 3-cable (Yellow/Red/White) phono connectors for CVBS and L/R sound.

I've gone down the latter route as my S8 didn't come with a TV tuner.
My setup is currently not installed, but I have previously had it all working in the car in "lash-up" mode. A job for later in the summer, it's all planned (alongside reinstalling my XCarLink unit more tidily)

The biggest problem I found is getting a decent aerial, you'll definitely need an amplified one.

[theschmallfella]

Excuse the impatience yesterday guys. I think I need to give you boys a bit more info.

mannyo, as well as the rns-d head unit I have the full Bose wiring loom including the amp and speakers, which is why I'm going to install the lot. I've done research into the wiring of the 100 and the A8 so I know what wires will need to go where. I think it will be 'easier' (I say that very lightly) to install the rns-d and bose because I have the complete loom, but I still expect there to be the odd pain in the rectum when it comes to the finer details of the installation.

IT, when I was sold the whole set up it came with the analogue tv module, the 'A' version which has the red/white/yellow outputs, which I was told was from the same A8 but came with no wiring loom to attach it. My reason for going with RNS-D and not RNS-E is that I think it will look more stock, and I agree it would be a much better one to go with but the fact that my 100 is non canbus I think I'd be making more problems for myself. Speaking of can bus, I think I have a way around that as I can work off the speed sensor on the 100, I can tap into the wiring that goes into the back of the dash clocks. And yes, I do like a good challenge!

HPsauce, I'm a little confused about the digital tuner I have, as it was sold to me on the premise that it is wired to the analogue tuner as an upgrade device, not a stand alone tuner. I may take your advice and go down the route of an after market tv receiver, It's not essential that I have the tv part, I thought it would be a nice touch if I could get it working. i've seen some after market aerials on ebay but I don't know if these are any good, what are the stock aerials like for reception?

Thanks for your help so far guys, and again my apologies for the impatience, when I set my mind to something I like to get stuck in. Any more input would be appreciated of course.

[HPsauce]

Originally Posted by theschmallfella

what are the stock aerials like for reception?

Well the OEM A8 TV aerials are very good but that's because there are four of them (hidden around the rear screen) and the Analogue receiver has a diversity system in it.

I tried to use them (or even just one!) on my old S8 (which did have TV) with an aftermarket DVB-T unit and failed miserably.
I do think there's a thread on here somewhere where Ian (IT) successfully used the A8 aerials with the later OEM DVB-T tuner and an RNS-E.
But isn't this going into an Audi 100 which presumably won't have any TV aerials at all.

I've transplanted the DVB-T unit from my old S8 to the new one. In the old S8 it went via the TV tuner Aux input, in the newer one it's via a T-ERA Multimedia adapter. This one I think: http://www.t-era.co.uk/Pub/default.a...E_43&ID=201539

[theschmallfella]

Originally Posted by HPsauce

The OEM analogue tuner "could" be used as an input route for signals from an aftermarket digital tuner (via the Aux inputs) OR you can buy an interface box that plugs into the DIN-style socket on the back of the RNS-D and takes normal 3-cable (Yellow/Red/White) phono connectors for CVBS and L/R sound.

I've gone down the latter route as my S8 didn't come with a TV tuner.
My setup is currently not installed, but I have previously had it all working in the car in "lash-up" mode.

The biggest problem I found is getting a decent aerial, you'll definitely need an amplified one.

What aftermarket option did you go for? If I could get one that runs off the phono connections on the analogue tuner then I think I'd go down that road. Like you said though it's down to aerials after that, you were saying the A8 had 4 of them placed around the rear window, I notice on the back of the tuner there are 2 outputs for aerials, the digital upgrade box has 4. So with your S8 did you have an RNS-D unit and the aftermarket plugged into that?

[HPsauce]

Originally Posted by theschmallfella

I notice on the back of the tuner there are 2 outputs for aerials, the digital upgrade box has 4. So with your S8 did you have an RNS-D unit and the aftermarket plugged into that?

Only 2 aerials, are you sure? There are 4 in a row along the top edge at the back.

But in addition to that there's a little (aerial splitter?) box between the Tuner and aerials and I never did work out what that does, there are lots of versions depending what you have installed and they're usually hidden behind the rear seat back on the nearside.

See also my previous post:

Originally Posted by HPsauce

I've transplanted the DVB-T unit from my old S8 to the new one. In the old S8 it went via the TV tuner Aux input, in the newer one it's via a T-ERA Multimedia adapter. This one I think: http://www.t-era.co.uk/Pub/default.a...E_43&ID=201539

This thread, about a Phaeton (but similar A/V kit) is revealing if you read a few posts: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...r-with-digital referred to as an "afterthought".