We are Being Forced out of our Diesel cars

[Dezzy]

Originally Posted by roberto

they told us to buy them, and we did in our millions (i was a petrol head)
now they are telling us they are effectively scrap

how dare you buy a Diesel sir please pay here AGAIN/AGAIN/AGAIN

i have witnessed pollution first hand in Manila and you can taste fuel in the air 24/7
now thats pollution at its best (worst sorry)

i just dont believe all the hype in sorry not here

i reckon the government should be held responsible and maybe end up in court, ok ill just settle for a Free Tesla

anybody else want 1 ?

I'm sorry Roberto but I never remember anyone telling me to buy a Derv, the only reason people bought them was to try and save a few quid at the pumps or to run red, or as stated a few years ago for the torque but i'm not sure how many people run an A8 to pull any loads that need more torque than the petrols chuck out, I may be wrong but no one has ever posted a photo of their A8 pulling a 3 ton load. At the end of the day I warned you all in 2013 over the heavy particulates those filth machines were throwing out and you all chose to ignore it. My tax money should be used to benefit the masses not the skinflints that thought they'd save a few quid

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Originally Posted by roberto

Very interesting opinions ...
My friends brother is a retired science teacher and i had a lengthy conversation with him the other day about air pollution /climate change/global warming etc.
Gosh it would take me hours of typing to air his opinions and thoughts.
And i certainly cant publish it on here as it would start a massive debate.
Electric cars are coming thats for sure but totally ? not in my lifetime.
I like the idea of converting cars to full electric but only seen company's doing classics so far.
mmmmmmmmmmmmTasty

Now this is where it gets really interesting. So electric has to come from somewhere we can all agree on that, coal, gas and nuclear. Hydro, solar and wind are the only "clean" sources.
Now I have been working in offshore windfarm and submarine cable installation and maintenance / repair. The ships that do the work vary in size but burn about 20- 40 cubes of fuel a day and take many days to lay just one cable, not counting the initial survey time maintenance ect. So 20 cubes = 20,000 litres over 90 = 222 A8 tank fulls a day.
You have to wonder how clean, clean energy actually is. Also as the cables are under water they need to be watertight so have rubber outer with a plastic lined core but as these items are a by product of oil, when we stop using oil...…. made me start thinking how many local council vehicles are electric (I know here none) police, fire, ambulance, none that I've yet seen.

[roberto]

Thats really interesting Dezzy about the cables and ships etc..
My goodness what a massive debate this could be..

what i cant get my head around is how many diesels there is out there..

buses
vans
lorrys
trains
JCB's
diggers
dumpers
generators

and the list goes on and on
at least i only do about 2000 miles a year in mine now..

[tc4332]

But it is not only derv that these people are knocking;
They are now shouting about the aircraft exhausts, and that is not diesel.
Avgas is a petrol.
Avtur is a turpentine.
So what next will they complain about?


Then again should I worry at my age?

[J i m s t e r]

I am glad someone has mentioned something other than diesel cars in an environmental argument. I have a client in the energy sector and was stunned to read the info below. And to think of the stick VAG got for being a bit cagey in their claims about emissions...

The 16 biggest ships produce more pollution than all the cars in the World. Every day.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ping-pollution

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...pollutionwatch

The new study by the Danish government's environmental agency adds to this picture. It suggests that shipping emissions cost the Danish health service almost £5bn a year, mainly treating cancers and heart problems. A previous study estimated that 1,000 Danish people die prematurely each year because of shipping pollution. No comprehensive research has been carried out on the effects on UK coastal communities, but the number of deaths is expected to be much higher.

Europe, which has some of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, has dramatically cleaned up sulphur and nitrogen emissions from land-based transport in the past 20 years but has resisted imposing tight laws on the shipping industry, even though the technology exists to remove emissions. Cars driving 15,000km a year emit approximately 101 grammes of sulphur oxide gases (or SOx) in that time. The world's largest ships' diesel engines which typically operate for about 280 days a year generate roughly 5,200 tonnes of SOx.

That pollution largely goes unnoticed because it largely happens far out at sea, but ships in seaports have become major pollution hazards on land. In fact, particulates emitted from ships were estimated to cause 60,000 deaths each year worldwide, according to a study in 2007.

Shipping is the only sector in the world not subject to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, and was left out of the UN’s Paris accord on this pollution. When the EU Parliament recently outlined plans to tackle shipping greenhouse gases in Europe Union waters, the shipping industry was not keen on any change.

Sickening.

But it's all our fault for running diesel cars, OK?

[roberto]

Well i never thought of those BIG ships before
That is some serious poolooshun
Now i feel ok about my diesel cars
Infact im going to buy another

just kidding

[J i m s t e r]

Originally Posted by roberto

Well i never thought of those BIG ships before
That is some serious poolooshun
Now i feel ok about my diesel cars
Infact im going to buy another

just kidding

"...particulates emitted from ships were estimated to cause 60,000 deaths each year worldwide"

That is way more than terrorism. But what is making the headlines? I can't afford to milkshake a supertanker.

[snapdragon]

Originally Posted by J i m s t e r

"...particulates emitted from ships were estimated to cause 60,000 deaths each year worldwide"

I don't get this, we are all going to die once and so there can't be any additional deaths - so they could argue premature deaths but that can only ever be a guess and flies in the face of increasing life-expectancy, even in the most grossly smog polluted countries of China and India where incidentally the life expectancy is broadly increasing at the same rate as the cleanest places such as Iceland and Siberia.

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+life+expectancy

https://www.google.com/search?q=india+life+expectancy

[moltuae]

Originally Posted by tc4332

But it is not only derv that these people are knocking;
They are now shouting about the aircraft exhausts, and that is not diesel.
Avgas is a petrol.
Avtur is a turpentine.
So what next will they complain about?

I don't know why, but at first glance I thought you were speaking in verse there Ray. I was almost disappointed to find it didn't rhyme.

May I suggest a rhyming alternative:

But it is not only derv that these people are knocking;
They are now shouting about the aircraft exhausts, and that's shocking.
Avgas is a petrol.
Avtur is a turpentine.
About what next will they find to whine?

[tc4332]

Nice one, Mark.
I was never poetically minded
Even tho' grammatically ded?

[Green Goblin]

Seems Audi are still pushing diesel...

https://www.evo.co.uk/audi/s6/22682/...new-tdi-engine