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7th December 2019, 10:00 AM
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Sounds like... F125!
This is the same problem Neil had when the neutral lockout terminal fell off inside the switch - there is a relay in the starter solenoid circuit which is only activated in P or N, otherwise disconnects the solenoid. It can be bypassed by a bit of chunky wire and some 6.3mm flat terminals if you're unable to get it to a garage to swap the F125 - basically the same configuration as a manual car. There might be a pic in my manual swap thread. Don't throw the old switch away as I can usually refurbish them if its just a burned or bad contact (like most of them). Not so much if the contact has actually come adrift though like Neil's did. Whoever designed that stupid switch has a lot to answer for 
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7th December 2019, 11:14 AM
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Oh dear, it's not that long since I had the F125 replaced.
 Where do I need to access to bypass it, is it inside the car, engine bay or underneath? and how easy is it? I'll plug in VCDS sometime to see what that shows, if anything, but I've got other more important things on my plate at the moment (ask Neil!) so the S8 will probably be just parked for a while. PS I've also still got the old F125 somewhere, I opened it up and took some photos then fitted it together again with some reusable screws/nuts. Quote:
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7th December 2019, 02:54 PM
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Is it possible that your gearstick movements merely coincided with the intermittency of the fault? I've had starter motor faults that resulted in similar, seemingly random behaviour.
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7th December 2019, 04:33 PM
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I don't think so, I had the key twisted into start position and held it there with no "click" of the relay.
As soon as I moved the stick it started.
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions and extended leather. Ski hatch retrofit. Aftermarket reversing camera. DVB-T and XCarlink now removed as redundant. 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (Even rarer than a D2 S8!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. Agate Grey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, Tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon. Added Auto-dim mirror, Leather seats, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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#5
7th December 2019, 06:42 PM
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If the F125 checks out, have you checked the main battery cable on the drivers side chassis? When that corrodes out you have power to everything but no starter action. If it’s getting crusty (damp and salt won’t be helping at the moment) it might start causing intermittent no start?
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7th December 2019, 08:30 PM
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Also check if yours has had the recall done for a slipping park interlock cable - if there's no fault codes suggesting F125 it'd be worth checking....
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#7
7th December 2019, 09:39 PM
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Thanks for the input folks, I'll not rule any of them out.
 But right now MJs F125 theory fits the symptoms way better. And I investigated that recall Adrian, ages ago, and I'm quite sure it's not relevant to my car. Nor does it match the symptoms. Right now I really would like to know more about bypassing the F125 starter solenoid lock...…..
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions and extended leather. Ski hatch retrofit. Aftermarket reversing camera. DVB-T and XCarlink now removed as redundant. 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (Even rarer than a D2 S8!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. Agate Grey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, Tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon. Added Auto-dim mirror, Leather seats, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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8th December 2019, 05:00 PM
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10th December 2019, 09:45 AM
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I'm guessing that the top 4 contacts are 2 separate circuits for P/N and R and the lower 5 contacts signal what gear has been selected. Not sure how Tiptronic works, when the lever is moved across in drive does the F125 move or not? From the shape of the metal arcs it looks like the top one is for Park and Neutral with the second completing the circuit and the third/fourth for Reverse. So, hopefully if there's damaged contact on the P/N circuit (it is currently working in P so not broken off) it may not affect other functions. Fingers crossed. I also noticed that the Reverse contact points on the embedded metal strips are discoloured, especially the small one. Awful design! From what I know of the wiring that's probably taking all the current to the reversing lights when they are on, so is almost certainly the most heavily loaded area for a significant time. The P/N contacts are only briefly operating a relay during starting (NOT the starter solenoid!) and the set of 5 are probably just small electronic signals.
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions and extended leather. Ski hatch retrofit. Aftermarket reversing camera. DVB-T and XCarlink now removed as redundant. 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (Even rarer than a D2 S8!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. Agate Grey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, Tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon. Added Auto-dim mirror, Leather seats, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850!
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