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Back on topic..I know it's not applicable to most of us on here with older cars..but service history is mostly held electronically nowadays, and I suspect owner details are either not linked or are easy to "hide" when passing on to new owners
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But tbh its not the service history (which isnt always worth the computer storage space they may hold it on) but the preventive maintenance undertaken by your local indy that can be important. e.g. gearbox/haldex ("lifetime" items) services which are not part of a service schedule. And that sort of stuff for which the evidence is held on invoices.
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Interesting little article. I had this exact thought when I bought a bike from the bike equivalent of one of these huge car supermarket places about a month ago.
I asked for some detailed pictures of the bike to be emailed to me before I committed to traveling up to Macclesfield to buy it, and the dealer sent back loads of pictures as well as scans of every bit of the service history as well as a scan of the full V5C with the previous owner's name and address which I thought was a bit odd. Went up to the dealer and was left to my own devices with the bike and the bulging service history folder including the V5C again for me to thumb through for as long as I liked, and it got me thinking whether there are any exemptions to GDPR rules for places such as that. It has full manufacturer main dealer service history so I was also able to phone one of the main dealers to verify this but I'm sure that wouldn't be practical if it wasn't the case or there was history of services and maintenance carried out elsewhere. David's example of the gearbox seems accurate - I don't think many of us here would trust an Audi main dealer overhauling a D2 S8's gearbox but would be perfectly happy having a ZF-approved place such as Mackie's doing the work. The Picasso painting analogy in that article sums it up quite well I think. Buying a used car, one needs to see evidence of any previous service history and essential maintenance.
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Currently '8-less Previously: - Aqua Blue Pearl D3 S8 - Kamut Beige leather, ACC, B&O, factory RSE, solar sunroof, electric blinds, ski bag, Homelink, comfort headrests. - Aqua Blue D2 S8 - Grey leather/Alcantara - D3 A8 3.0 CVT - D3 3.7 V8 Last edited by Conquistador; 2nd March 2020 at 10:15 AM. |
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I for one like the ring binder full of info, makes for interesting reading.
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Interesting 'Wallpaper'
Saw this interesting 'wallpaper' in the portacabin of a local car wash today.
Old V5 documents plastered to the wall with each of the previous vehicle owner's details clearly visible and readable on all of them! The car wash owner told me that the V5s were there when they took over the site, formerly a car sales business apparently. Just a slight violation of GDPR me thinks!
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Mark ------------------------------------------------------ 2002 FE S8 Ebony Black Pearl ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Cars Owned: The Tesla Era: 2020 Model S Performance Ludicrous+ (present) (Black, with all black premium interior and carbon fibre décor, 21" sonic carbon twin turbine wheels and FSD capability) The Audi Era: '97 A8 4.2 (Ming Blue) --> '96 A8 4.2 QS (Dark Green) --> '02 FE S8 (present) The Citroen Era: '84 BX 1.6 RS --> '89 BX 1.9 DTR Turbo --> '94 XM 2.0L Turbo --> '96 XM 2.0L Turbo Exclusive --> '00 Xantia Activa 2.0L Turbo The Banger Era: '76 1.2L Lada VAZ-2101 (Ruski Fiat 124) --> '80 1.7L Morris Ital HL, finished in Ermine White and Rust Last edited by moltuae; 13th March 2020 at 07:38 PM. |
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What on earth were the original owners thinking - even before the requirements of GDPR!!
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Bugger, that means I'll have to take down my row of 'every car I've ever owned' number plates from my garage If I ever move house
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Daily drive: 2016 Infiniti QX70.....a car that's even more complicated than my last Infiniti FX to modify Current 'Project': VW Crafter CR50 4 berth camper van Previous 'Projects': 2006 Subaru Legacy Spec 'B' 3.0R, 1994 Ex-MOD Land Rover Defender, now "civilianised". 2000 Audi S8 FL www.whall.co.uk |
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I emailed the Information Commissioner's Office about this, specifically asking them how anyone (private or dealer) should handle the historical documentary paperwork that came with the vehicle. Here is their response, which also included links to guidance notes. Any 'part time' lawyers willing to translate?
If an individual acting on their own accord was to purchase a car and it was to contain documents containing logbook/motoring history then they would have no obligations under the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) . This because, the information being processed would fall under domestic purposes putting it out of the material scope of the GDPR. Things are different if a private forecourt or garage was to obtain the same documentation. As they would be processing personal information in an organisational capacity meaning they would have a number of obligations under the GDPR they'd be expected to adhere to. Namely; the garage would be obliged to ensure that the information secure, processed in a manner is fair lawful and transparent as well as up to date and accurate. If the garage in question intended to share the personal documentation outside the organisation they would have to ensure that they would have a relevant lawful basis to do so.
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It would be reasonable to presume that a previous owner having passed on the service and maintenance paperwork with the vehicle INTENDED it to be passed on to future owners.
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2003 D2 FL S8. Irish Green Pearl/Beige. Solar sunroof, auto-dim mirrors, electric rear seat functions, ski hatch retrofit; extended leather. Aftermarket DVB-T, reversing camera and full XCarlink (Bluetooth etc.). 2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!) Oh, and a brand new engine at just under 30,000 miles on the factory one! Finally: gone, but not forgotten..... 1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors. e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later) 1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer. And before that a lot of Rover 800s, a few oddities, a lovely Triumph Dolomite 1850HL with Overdrive and way back in my schooldays an Austin Seven aka Mini 850! |
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