EVs are NOT the answer to save this planet!

[tintin]

Originally Posted by Simon Wallwork

There's really no need to save the Planet- it's not in danger- thankfully.

Some facts:
97% of Greenhouse gasses are natural- the Anthropogenic component is therefore 3%.
Of which the UK produces circa 1%. So, if the UK goes 'Net zero', the best reduction we could hope for is 1% of that 3% (0.03%). Not 1% of it all.

There's been practically no warming since 2000- despite what you read. Google it if you like.

There was a rapid rise-about 0.6-0.8C in the period 1975-2000, and this triggered the whole AGW thing- but it's stopped.

Of the observed 0.6-0.8C , nobody knows how much would have happened anyway, and how much was us. As we continue to emerge from an Ice age, some warming must be expected, so it may even ALL have been natural.

CO2 levels today are 440ppm. Plants die if it goes below 160ppm. Farmers keep greenhouses at 1200ppm- if they add even more CO2, plants do even better, but it gets expensive, so 1200ppm, 3 times todays level, is optimum.

Get an EV if you like- but I don't see us all getting one anytime soon- I'll be keeping me S8 (and Tiger).

Happy New Year, and don't let the alarmists worry you!

Links as evidential support to your statements above would make your post more credible - otherwise it's a bit like Trump saying he had nothing to hide with his tax returns

[tonupkid]

As Tintin says, links to wherever you're getting your data will provide an opportunity to assess this issue for ourselves. Otherwise its just one person's word against (some very qualified) other person's words.

[HPsauce]

Earth is in danger of course: https://phys.org/news/2015-02-sun-wo...ion-years.html

[Simon Wallwork]

I'm not trying to convince you guys, but things are as I posted.

There is no climate emergency, or anything like it- the whole eco-thing is like a new religion.

The things I pointed out are not at all controversial- it's just that most people who support the idea that we control the climate have literally no idea what they are talking about.

It has warmed a little, but not much.

It does that here.

I suppose saying nothing has changed since 2000, could do with backing up, so try this link.

https://www.google.com/search?client...+close+to+zero

[steamship]

I find it odd that even when someone provides a link to an official government website, it gets laughed at, because it doesn't go with the trend of "climate change/global warming" and mans destruction of the Earth. After all, government bodies always tell the truth... don't they!

Take two examples:
1. The current weather being experienced in the USA. A sure sign of man's interference in global weather! And yet they experienced something very similar in the 1970s.
2. The little ice age between the 14th and 19th centuries. A sure sign of man's interference! Are we supposed to them believe that we did something about it changed the weather.

Global weather patterns have been changing for thousands upon thousands of years, and will continue to do so. The only difference is that governments and the media continue this incessant fearmongering of doom and gloom, and a perfect example of this is the following list (not all weather related). It's not from an official government source, but all the sources are linked:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-ye...erts-are-0-50/

[tintin]

Originally Posted by steamship

I find it odd that even when someone provides a link to an official government website, it gets laughed at, because it doesn't go with the trend of "climate change/global warming" and mans destruction of the Earth. After all, government bodies always tell the truth... don't they!

Take two examples:
1. The current weather being experienced in the USA. A sure sign of man's interference in global weather! And yet they experienced something very similar in the 1970s.
2. The little ice age between the 14th and 19th centuries. A sure sign of man's interference! Are we supposed to them believe that we did something about it changed the weather.

Global weather patterns have been changing for thousands upon thousands of years, and will continue to do so. The only difference is that governments and the media continue this incessant fearmongering of doom and gloom, and a perfect example of this is the following list (not all weather related). It's not from an official government source, but all the sources are linked:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-ye...erts-are-0-50/

Hmm, thanks Sean - a one minute Google search confirms that AEI is funded by the sorts of (mainly US...) corporate supporters who have a financial interest in debunking climate change, so I for one would take anything from them with a Very Large Pinch Of Salt. A bit like trusting anything that has Koch involved with it

[Simon Wallwork]

tintin
I came across that website I linked to when I was trying to find out how much it has warmed since about 2000.
It caught my interest, but despite much clattering away at my keyboard, I've yet to discover the answer, although it is, I think practically zero.

I see I've not convinced you, so could you please try to find out how much it's warmed over the last 23 years or so- during which CO2 levels have continued increasing?

I don't mean vague platitudes like 'warmest July for decades' etc, but an actual number, in degrees.

Anyone know the answer?

[steamship]

Originally Posted by tintin

corporate supporters who have a financial interest in debunking climate change

Fair comment. And there are likely to be just as many who have a financial interest in pushing the climate change agenda, or for that matter, other agendas.