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Old 1st April 2014, 11:18 AM
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Guys, I'm not sure he was really speeding, I know it sounds like it but this cars are LOUD and it sounds even louder on streets like that one.
Even, if he wasnt breaking until the initial hit then his speed wasn't really over or much over 30.
Stand on the side of the road and look at the cars passing with 30mph, looks very much like that Lambo, plus there would be much more damage at 45-50mph+
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Old 1st April 2014, 11:34 AM
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The way it left the ground suggests a higher speed, as does the stopping distance which looks like about 25 metres or more.
At 30mph an ordinary car on a dry road like that will stop in less than 15 metres, that car should be a lot less, maybe 2 car lengths.
Might have forgotten where the stop pedal was I guess.
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Old 1st April 2014, 01:08 PM
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bl**dy he11!
that lambo literally took off into the air
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Old 1st April 2014, 02:03 PM
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Hmmmm....still I'm not so sure.

Breaking distance; If you pay attention you will notice that car landed just before the BMW, and as we all know breaks dont work during the ''flight''
So the stopping distance is only few meters, plus when you taking off you are in a pretty big shock and all over the cabin so break pedal may not be the first thing you press, in his case first thing during the flight he pressed was a speed dial on his phone to call mum

Take off; The only reason why he took of was the position of Mazda's left wheel. as he was turning right his left wheel was fully exposed and if you hit it right as he did this works like ideal launch pad. Perfect launch pad + 30 ish mph = a good few meters flight.

Plus as mentioned before I think sound plays here a big role in judging the take off speed as Aventador is a really really loud car
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Old 1st April 2014, 02:54 PM
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I had it muted as I'm in the office - and it looked like he was going pretty quick to me
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Old 1st April 2014, 03:28 PM
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From a legal perspective, this will very likely be an expensive day for the Mazda's insurers.

The Mazda emerges from a side road onto a main road when it was clearly unsafe to do so. The road is straight, and the view up the road means that the Lambo was there to be seen.

Although we can speculate about the pre accident speed of the lambo (and I have to say it does not look excessive, or recklessly excessive to me) this is largely irrelevant. You have to look at the causative potency of the situation. Whether the lambo was doing 20, 30, or 40 (I doubt it was more than that), at the time when the mazda pulled out, it was very likely too late for the lambo to avoid a crunch.

Clear the mazda driver was pulling out without looking or engaging brain. They were the sole cause of that crunch, and they will go down for the lot.
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Old 1st April 2014, 03:33 PM
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Couple of things:

1. That is Sloane Street, a major shopping street with plenty of pedestrians, would not be at all surprised if limit here is in fact 20 mph.

2. Either way, the speed limit is not the minimum speed, we should always drive according to conditions and surroundings, and the Lambo was evidently going to fast, whether that's 20mph or 50mph, given that he could not stop in time to avoid this collision. Look at the number of side junctions that a car or bicycle might pull out of, the number of parked cars at side of road that a young child might have emerged from.

With experience, we all start to drive more defensively, anticipating what might happen, in my opinion the Lambo driver was not doing this. Sure, the Mazda pulling out is a numpty, but a collision would have been avoided had the Lambo driver been driving to the conditions and circumstances.

EDIT the exhaust/induction volume clearly suggests the loud pedal was depressed
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Old 1st April 2014, 03:41 PM
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I don't see how you can make out that the Mazda is totally at fault. He is emerging slowly from a junction, so is being cautious. Watch the video and pause/start it with the spacebar and as I said before, the Lambo doesn't even attempt to brake. Even as he disappears behind the Nissan, his brakelights still aren't on.

I agree that stopping distance is going to be further due to him being airborne, but he was driving without due care and attention. I don't know the area in question, so can't comment on whether the Lambo was speeding or not.
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Old 1st April 2014, 03:54 PM
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We can try a bit of rough maths. As time turns from second 1 to second 2, the lambo nose just passes the parked SUV. As time hits second 3 the nose of the lambo hits the nose of the BMW. Between the SUV and BMW you can squeeze in another 2 standard cars.
Assuming standard car length is 4.5m, the lambo, after initial collision, travels 3 x 4.5m in 1 second (roughly).
Thats 13.5m/s = 30.2mph
One would hope he hit the brakes before 1st collision, plus the decelerration after collision, he must have been going more than 30mph for his post-collision velocity to average at 30mph.
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Old 1st April 2014, 04:05 PM
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Just googled this and seen lots of press stories.

The tone of these frankly annoys me. The fact that he's a young guy in a supercar who has a decat does not automatically mean that he was driving like an imbecile. I take the point that seeing a car pulling very slowly out of a junction should have put Mr Lambo on notice that the mazda might not stop. It would certainly have had me, at the very least, covering the brake just in case - but ultimately this was 99% down to the mazda who, seemingly in a world of their own, drove where they wanted when they wanted without regard for details such as stopping at junctions or giving way or even looking.
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